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The TRUE meaning of biblical Justification

JonC

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@Paleouss

The theory @JesusFan is discussing depends on a 16th century judicial philosophy that views justice as a type of ledger that must be balanced and the judge as responsible for maintaining this balance. The person who is guilty is not the major factor. A crime creates a debt that must be collected and obligated the judge to collect this debt.

If you steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving hild the only factor considered is the penalty for theft, and this must be collected regardless of who pays the debt (the ledger must balance).

So to allow a murder go free somebody has to be executed or a judicial deficit will occur.

This was, around the 16th -17th centuries, a fairly common understanding of justice.
 

JesusFan

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@Paleouss

The theory @JesusFan is discussing depends on a 16th century judicial philosophy that views justice as a type of ledger that must be balanced and the judge as responsible for maintaining this balance. The person who is guilty is not the major factor. A crime creates a debt that must be collected and obligated the judge to collect this debt.

If you steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving hild the only factor considered is the penalty for theft, and this must be collected regardless of who pays the debt (the ledger must balance).

So to allow a murder go free somebody has to be executed or a judicial deficit will occur.

This was, around the 16th -17th centuries, a fairly common understanding of justice.
You mean like when God plainly stated to us the soul that sins, must be put to death?
 

JonC

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You mean like when God plainly stated to us the soul that sins, must be put to death?
You said that chapter was talking about civil punishment.

You are looking at Ezekiel 18 (one of the rare times you referenced a passage). But you are lifting one oart of a verse.

Let's look more at Ezekiel 18 and see what God says:


What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel:

“‘The parents eat sour grapes,
and the children’s teeth are set on edge’?

As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel. 4 For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.


This is talking about Israel holding the crimes of the father against the children. You are correct there.

הַנֶּ֥פֶשׁ is translated "soul", "person", in my quote "one" (the word in that part is actually "one" or "it" referring to the previous use about the father). It means "living beaning".

BUT if you continued reading God tells you His ways and WHY Israel was only to punish the one who sins.

Hear, you Israelites: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust?

if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just and right, they will save their life. 28 Because they consider all the offenses they have committed and turn away from them, that person will surely live; they will not die.

Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!




@JesusFan

READ the passage you lifted part of a verse from.
 
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