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Matthew 28:19

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37818

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Matthew 28:19, Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: . . .

The anti-Trinitatians claim "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: . . ." Is unique and so not original to Matthew account.
 
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JD731

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37818 said:
Matthew 28:19, Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: . . .

The anti-Trinitatians claim "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: . . ." Is unique and so not original to Matthew account.
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I am a Baptist Christian and therefore trinitarian in every way and consider anti - trinitarians to be ignorant and unsaved but what is their logic and reasoning for denying the doctrine based on Mt 28:19? They are not likely to show up on a Baptist only forum to explain themselves.
 
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JD731 said:
I am a Baptist Christian and therefore trinitarian in every way and consider anti - trinitarians to be ignorant and unsaved but what is their logic and reasoning for denying the doctrine based on Mt 28:19? They are not likely to show up on a Baptist only forum to explain themselves.
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It is a Baptist tenet our 27 New Testament books were authored in the first century.
 
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JD731

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37818 said:
It is a Baptist tenet our 27 New Testament books were authored in the first century.
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I have no light on that passage except to say it must be an apostolic commission only pertaining to the 12 and 70 that were chosen by Jesus to preach his gospel to the Jews and may be in some way connected to the "gospel of the kingdom." I do not have any doubt that Jesus said it to them and that Luke was in that meeting and yet he quoted Peter some ten years later in the house of the Italian Cornelius, the first saved gentile, with the command of Acts 10:48. which was at least somewhat different.

I have no doubt about any scripture in my KJV but all must be reconciled contextually.
 
JPPT1974

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That was the Sermon on the Mount of course. It was translation of God as a command on an ongoing action. Core message to go around and share the Christian faith. Making Disciples of all nations. Baptizing them in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Obeying His commands. With different translations depending on what Bible you have like KJV, NKJV, NIV, CSB, etc. Message is the same! As it was when Jesus spoke those words to life. Over 2,000 years ago.
 
robycop3

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Can someone show me it's wrong to invoke the name of the Holy Spirit (He's not a ghost!) when baptizing someone ?
 
atpollard

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Examining the Evidence: The Case for and Against the Authenticity of Matthew 28:19

Above is a scholarly discussion of all the facts for those interested. However, just for the sake of argument, let us grant the non-trinitarians the ASSUMPTION that Matthew 28:19 is a later addition (contrary to the evidence). With respect to the question of the Trinity, I would ask them … “Are Matthew 3:16-17, Mark 1:9-11 and Luke 3:21-22 also later additions?”

Matthew 3:16-17 [ESV] 16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; 17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."

Mark 1:9-11 ESV] 9 In those days Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 And when he came up out of the water, immediately he saw the heavens being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. 11 And a voice came from heaven, "You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased."

Luke 3:21-22 [ESV] 21 Now when all the people were baptized, and when Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, the heavens were opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, "You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased."

All three versions of the event (recorded by 3 different accounts in their own words) affirm the simultaneous presence of 3 persons (Father speaking from heaven, Son baptized in water, Spirit descending like a dove) … thus affirming the TRINITY and the participation of all three in Christian baptism … the TRUTH of Matthew 28:19 irrespective of its inclusion in the autograph (which is more likely than not).
 
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JD731

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What is the issue and what does it matter to us Baptists here?

I looked at a couple articles on line to see what anti trinitarian people thinks about Mt 28:19 but I did not find anything suggesting that Baptists of any stripe were confused about the trinitarian nature of God.
 
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37818

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JD731 said:
What is the issue and what does it matter to us Baptists here?

I looked at a couple articles on line to see what anti trinitarian people thinks about Mt 28:19 but I did not find anything suggesting that Baptists of any stripe were confused about the trinitarian nature of God.
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Matthew 28:19 is not a Baptist problem. That it teaches in one Name and to be in behalf of three Persons.
 
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JD731

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37818 said:
Matthew 28:19 is not a Baptist problem. That it teaches in one Name and to be in behalf of three Persons.
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Yeah, all us Baptists say amen. I am just wondering if, given the emphasis that Matthew puts on the kingdom in his book, if this is to be the baptismal formula in the future context of the gospel of the kingdom. At this point I do not have enough light to be sure.

Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

I find myself leaning this way.
 
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Mark 1:15, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Luke 8:10, And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

John 3:3, Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
 
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37818 said:
Matthew 28:19, Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: . . .

The anti-Trinitatians claim "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: . . ." Is unique and so not original to Matthew account.
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There are other examples of Trinitarianiism in scripture. I recently taught on Trinitarianism

Trinitarianism

Trinitarianism in Creation

Trinitarianism in the Ministry of Christ

Trinitarianism in Redemption

Trinitarianism in Missions
 
37818

37818

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Marooncat79 said:
There are other examples of Trinitarianiism in scripture. I recently taught on Trinitarianism

Trinitarianism

Trinitarianism in Creation

Trinitarianism in the Ministry of Christ

Trinitarianism in Redemption

Trinitarianism in Missions
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1 Corinthians 12:4, . . . the same Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:5, . . . the same Lord.
1 Corinthians 12:6, . . . it is the same God which worketh all in all.

Ephesians 4:4, . . . one Spirit, . . . .
Ephesians 4:5, One Lord, . . . .
Ephesians 4:6, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 Corinthians 8:6, But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 4:4, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
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