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37818

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So Bible alonism was breaking from the Apostles interpretation of Scripture to human interpretation of scripture, and human founded churches.

John Smyth after leaving the Church of England decided that credo Baptism was to be his new doctrine, so pure human interpretation, pure human tradition.n

John Smyth was not an Apostle, he was a false teacher the Apostles warned about.
The New Testament documents on the tenet they are genuine are first century Holy Scripture would be our sole Apostolic authority handed down to us.

Now it wasn't a Catholic Church that won me to believe in our Lord Jesus Christ. But but persons from a local Baptist church at my families door inviting us to attend their church. Offered a ride to church. And it was that Sunday between Sunday school and the morning preaching service I was shown how I could be sure of Heaven. That was the summer of 1962. I knew then and know now. Do you?
 

Cathode

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The New Testament documents on the tenet they are genuine are first century Holy Scripture would be our sole Apostolic authority handed down to us.

The New Testament documents are genuine first century, but your interpretations of them isn’t, they are 1500s onward human interpretations.

Have the first century Scriptures and the first century interpretations of them and you will be fine.

Now it wasn't a Catholic Church that won me to believe in our Lord Jesus Christ. But but persons from a local Baptist church at my families door inviting us to attend their church. Offered a ride to church. And it was that Sunday between Sunday school and the morning preaching service I was shown how I could be sure of Heaven. That was the summer of 1962. I knew then and know now. Do you?

Which would you prefer, the Apostles interpretation and understanding of Scripture or your own?
 

37818

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The New Testament documents are genuine first century, but your interpretations of them isn’t, they are 1500s onward human interpretations.

Have the first century Scriptures and the first century interpretations of them and you will be fine.

Which would you prefer, the Apostles interpretation and understanding of Scripture or your own?
Luke 4:4, And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Now you didn't answer my question.
. . . I was shown how I could be sure of Heaven. That was the summer of 1962. I knew then and know now. Do you?
 

Ben1445

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Which would you prefer, the Apostles interpretation and understanding of Scripture or your own?
Basically, from your point of view, we have our own understanding of Scripture, but in the same sense, you have your own understanding of the apostle’s interpretation of Scripture. If Scripture is the goal, and it should be, then it is more direct to follow the first pattern instead of a copy of a copy of a copy of a pattern. Your understanding of Scripture is influenced by your indoctrination of faulty assumptions so that when people are told that they are more noble for searching Scripture, you think it means that they took oral tradition and didn’t search Scripture. Your application of the language is way off.
 

Cathode

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Basically, from your point of view, we have our own understanding of Scripture, but in the same sense, you have your own understanding of the apostle’s interpretation of Scripture. If Scripture is the goal, and it should be, then it is more direct to follow the first pattern instead of a copy of a copy of a copy of a pattern.

Correct, we agree.
From our perspective it is testable however.

“The Church received from the Apostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants. For the Apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of divine mysteries, knew that there is in everyone the innate stains of sins, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit.” Origen, Commentary on Romans, 5:9 (A.D. 244).

So in Origens day they received the tradition from the Apostles of infant baptism and viewed water Baptism as Regenerational.
So 1781 years ago Origen attests that regenerational infant Baptism is traced to the Apostles by their tradition handed down.

So who still holds to this today?

If we went back 1800 years, which of us would have Origens understanding of Scripture which he said was from The Apostles.

Where did credo Baptism come from in your tradition? John Smyth declared infants should no longer be baptised, which stood against all Christianity at the time 1609 and all Christianity back to the Apostles.

So this doctrine has human interpretation not an Apostolic interpretation.

People who follow this doctrine aren’t following the Bible, they are following John Smyth.

Your understanding of Scripture is influenced by your indoctrination of faulty assumptions so that when people are told that they are more noble for searching Scripture, you think it means that they took oral tradition and didn’t search Scripture. Your application of the language is way off.

What made them more noble is that they weren’t Scripture alone, and they listened to Paul’s Oral Tradition, the Spoken Word of God.

If the Bereans were Scripture alone they would have rejected everything Paul said as unscriptural. And all they had was Old Testament writings.
No Jew or Christian was Scripture alone, that was a heresy that came one and a half millenia later.

So Catholics maintain the singular ancient Apostles interpretation of Scripture and Bible aloners any man’s interpretation of scripture. That’s why they divided into countless denominations all on each man’s interpretation and opinion. All in conflict with the other.
 

Ben1445

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Correct, we agree.
From our perspective it is testable however.

“The Church received from the Apostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants. For the Apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of divine mysteries, knew that there is in everyone the innate stains of sins, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit.” Origen, Commentary on Romans, 5:9 (A.D. 244).
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.


Note that he didn’t answer with a goo goo ga ga. He didn’t answer by whining for a bottle of milk. The hindrance to baptism was lack of belief. The day a baby tells you that he believes that Jesus is Christ and understands that, (because that was the context, “Understandest thou what thou readest?”) then you may baptize.
So in Origens day they received the tradition from the Apostles of infant baptism and viewed water Baptism as Regenerational.
So 1781 years ago Origen attests that regenerational infant Baptism is traced to the Apostles by their tradition handed down.

So who still holds to this today?

If we went back 1800 years, which of us would have Origens understanding of Scripture which he said was from The Apostles.

Where did credo Baptism come from in your tradition?
Acts 8
John Smyth declared infants should no longer be baptised, which stood against all Christianity at the time 1609 and all Christianity back to the Apostles.

So this doctrine has human interpretation not an Apostolic interpretation.

People who follow this doctrine aren’t following the Bible, they are following John Smyth.

Last time I checked, Acts 8 was written before John Smyth.
What made them more noble is that they weren’t Scripture alone, and they listened to Paul’s Oral Tradition, the Spoken Word of God.
That is exactly opposite what the Bible says.
If the Bereans were Scripture alone they would have rejected everything Paul said as unscriptural. And all they had was Old Testament writings.
No Jew or Christian was Scripture alone, that was a heresy that came one and a half millenia later.
They checked what Paul said to see if what he said was Scriptural.
But you may keep your indulgences, penances, and vain Hail Mary repetitions because they are prescribed to you by “apostolic successors,” so called.
I will stick to Truth. God’s Word is Truth. Apostolic oral tradition carries no such weight.
So Catholics maintain the singular ancient Apostles interpretation of Scripture and Bible aloners any man’s interpretation of scripture. That’s why they divided into countless denominations all on each man’s interpretation and opinion. All in conflict with the other.
So tell me why you divided away from the Orthodox?

If the doctrine of infant baptism was so important, why isn’t it in Scripture?

Since baptism is not the putting away of the filth of the flesh(1 Peter 3:21) there is no need for an infant to be baptized. It doesn’t matter what kind of fairy tale arc welding babies you have seen in your dreams. May I suggest you limit your pizza consumption before bed? Or you might pull the curtain and stop the sun from blinding the poor child.

I could claim Baptists are the original church members and Catholics are the denominational break offs. John was out preaching first and preparing the way, you know. You need to understand the difference between the words catholic and Catholic. It makes a huge difference.
 

Cathode

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And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Note that he didn’t answer with a goo goo ga ga. He didn’t answer by whining for a bottle of milk. The hindrance to baptism was lack of belief. The day a baby tells you that he believes that Jesus is Christ and understands that, (because that was the context, “Understandest thou what thou readest?”) then you may baptize.

Sure, if you are an adult, you answer for yourself at Baptism.

If you are an infant, your parents answer for you. As with circumcision.

There is no doctrine in scripture telling you to deny infants baptism, that is human construct not Scripture.
Where does it teach ‘ Deny infants Baptism ‘?

Acts 8

Last time I checked, Acts 8 was written before John Smyth.

No, this doesn’t teach ‘ Deny infants baptism ‘ either.

That is exactly opposite what the Bible says.

No. Paul says to “hold to the traditions the we taught you, either by word of our mouth or by writing.”

You reject Apostolic Word of mouth Tradition so you are not following Scripture or tradition.

They checked what Paul said to see if what he said was Scriptural.

They only had the Old Testament. What Paul was teaching was the Gospel preached, the Oral New Testament.

So tell me why you divided away from the Orthodox?

They broke from us.

The Church was called Catholic before break, but after the break they called themselves Orthodox, and we remained Catholic.

If the doctrine of infant baptism was so important, why isn’t it in Scripture?

It’s implied in Scripture when whole families were baptised.

Nowhere does it say ‘ Deny thy infants baptism and only baptise adults ‘ that’s human tradition founded in the 1600s, not Scripture.
So, unscriptural.

Since baptism is not the putting away of the filth of the flesh(1 Peter 3:21) there is no need for an infant to be baptized.

Yes there is, Original sin.

I could claim Baptists are the original church members and Catholics are the denominational break offs.

You could, but that would be false, and Church history proves that wrong.

You need to understand the difference between the words catholic and Catholic. It makes a huge difference.

I do. It would make a huge difference if you understood it too.
 

Ben1445

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Sure, if you are an adult, you answer for yourself at Baptism.

If you are an infant, your parents answer for you. As with circumcision.
And as with circumcision, the flesh profits NOTHING!
Your ignorance of Scripture is telling.
There is no doctrine in scripture telling you to deny infants baptism, that is human construct not Scripture.
Where does it teach ‘ Deny infants Baptism ‘?
Where does it say to baptize them?
On the contrary, we are told to teach and preach to people and baptize after belief.
Since you follow men and not God, you believe that getting babies wet saves them.

No, this doesn’t teach ‘ Deny infants baptism ‘ either.
Show me one infant baptism in Scripture.

No. Paul says to “hold to the traditions the we taught you, either by word of our mouth or by writing.”
And you heard what Paul said out of his own mouth?
The reason I reject your “apostolic successor” false teachings is because your successors don’t follow Scripture. I have considered the end of their conversation and I reject their teachings because they don’t follow Christ. They follow the benefit of the “Catholic church.” It is a church run for the benefit of itself. The gold of its temples to itself preaches a sermon to any who see it, lay not up for yourselves treasures.
The doctrines of your church, for the greater part, are only for the financial benefit of the organization. They have duped people like you, unless you are one of the people who are misleading the people.

That is not what Paul told the Bereans. Again, your inability to read and comprehend Scripture is telling.
You reject Apostolic Word of mouth Tradition so you are not following Scripture or tradition.
Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
They only had the Old Testament. What Paul was teaching was the Gospel preached, the Oral New Testament.

So we have more Scripture than they did. And?
It doesn’t make it important for me to believe what someone says I am supposed to believe contrary to Scripture just because he is the pope or a priest somewhere.
They broke from us.
But orthodox means according to Scripture. So if they claim to be first like you do, who should we believe? Who is lying.
Or maybe you should take a hint and recognize how many people leave your church to follow the Bible.
The Church was called Catholic before break, but after the break they called themselves Orthodox, and we remained Catholic.
Not only remaining Catholic but also in error.
(I’m not saying that the Orthodox are without error either.)
It’s implied in Scripture when whole families were baptised.
It is not implied that any family that was baptized even had infants. To assume that families, whose makeup is not mentioned, also baptized infants who were not mentioned is faulty reasoning and is a form of confirmation bias.
Nowhere does it say ‘ Deny thy infants baptism and only baptise adults ‘ that’s human tradition founded in the 1600s, not Scripture.
So, unscriptural.
Nowhere in Scripture does it say “baptize thine infants.” That was a human tradition. If it was important, it would have been commanded in Scripture.
Yes there is, Original sin.
Adam is responsible for the original sin.
We are made like Adam, sinners, responsible for our own sins, not Adam’s.
But if baptism takes care of that, then it would cover for generations afterwards whose bodies have been washed by baptism. But that is not how it works.
You could, but that would be false, and Church history proves that wrong.
Your history.
It is useless to talk to a Catholic about history. They have their own. And they adopt their opponents if expedient. Joan of Arc for example.

Real Catholic history:

Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which conflicts with (Catholic) church dogma must be burned without pity.” (Source: Papal Bull, 1198 A.D.)

We prohibit laymen possessing copies of the Old and New Testament. …We forbid them most severely to have the above books in the popular vernacular.” (meaning in their country’s native language, as the Papal Church only allowed their priests to read it in Latin). (Source: The Council of Toulouse, Canon 14)

We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What therefore, can you make of me but God?” (Papal bull Unam sanctam, 1302 A.D.)

I don’t gather any teachings from your church. I don’t want to come close to any of the blasphemy of your leaders.
I do. It would make a huge difference if you understood it too.
So you say. But that doesn’t mean you do understand. You merely use what is convenient for you. You are not a follower of Christ, rather of your organization. You draw people to Catholicism and not Christ. You bring them from one bondage into another. And you back it up with arc welding bright fairytale babies.
I hope that you May one day be honest with yourself.
 

Cathode

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And as with circumcision, the flesh profits NOTHING!
Your ignorance of Scripture is telling.

Totally unrelated scripture verse referenced, your ignorance is telling.

Who answered in Faith for the infant at circumcision, to spiritually include them into the people Israel, the parents.
Same thing happens at Baptism, that’s why all Christianity baptised infants for the first 1600 years including the first reformers.

Where does it say to baptize them?
On the contrary, we are told to teach and preach to people and baptize after belief.
Since you follow men and not God, you believe that getting babies wet saves them.


Show me one infant baptism in Scripture.

No, you have to prove a teaching that says to deny Baptism to infants, and there is nothing. Otherwise you are building a doctrine on absence, which is unscriptural.

Faith is required at Baptism, that’s why parents make the profession of faith for the infants. Parents have spiritual authority to answer for the infants.

Whose faith raised Lazarus from the dead? Lazarus? No, Lazarus was dead. It was Martha’s Faith.

“Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

27 “Yes, Lord,” she replied.”

See that the faith and belief of another stands in for the person who can’t speak for themselves, even to raise the dead.

It was the faith and belief of the paralytics friends that healed him.

It was the Faith and belief of the Roman soldier that healed his servant.

Faith and belief are necessary, but not always “ personal “ Faith and belief, this false human teachings from the 1600s. Not Scriptural.

That’s why all Christianity always baptised infants from the beginning. For the first 1600 years it was universal Christian belief and practice. And yes they all knew the scriptures, you aren’t special and unique there.
 

Cathode

Well-Known Member
Show me one infant baptism in Scripture.

Show me where an Apostle teaches that infants are not be baptised and only personally professing adults can be baptised. Scripture doesn’t teach it, this is human tradition that goes beyond the scripture.
This is what is called a classic case of going beyond what is written. It’s a trap that scripture warns about.

And you heard what Paul said out of his own mouth?
The reason I reject your “apostolic successor” false teachings is because your successors don’t follow Scripture. I have considered the end of their conversation and I reject their teachings because they don’t follow Christ. They follow the benefit of the “Catholic church.” It is a church run for the benefit of itself. The gold of its temples to itself preaches a sermon to any who see it, lay not up for yourselves treasures.
The doctrines of your church, for the greater part, are only for the financial benefit of the organization. They have duped people like you, unless you are one of the people who are misleading the people.

That is not what Paul told the Bereans. Again, your inability to read and comprehend Scripture is telling.

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


So we have more Scripture than they did. And?
It doesn’t make it important for me to believe what someone says I am supposed to believe contrary to Scripture just because he is the pope or a priest somewhere.

The fact is, you don’t hold to the Apostolic Oral traditions as Paul said to, you only refer to the Written which ironically goes against scripture.

So you aren’t following the scripture which says to hold both oral and written traditions together like Catholics do.

But orthodox means according to Scripture. So if they claim to be first like you do, who should we believe? Who is lying.
Or maybe you should take a hint and recognize how many people leave your church to follow the Bible.

Not only remaining Catholic but also in error.
(I’m not saying that the Orthodox are without error either.)

I don’t think you have read subject matter here to have a proper understanding.

And who are you to declare error anyway, it’s just your opinion.


It is not implied that any family that was baptized even had infants. To assume that families, whose makeup is not mentioned, also baptized infants who were not mentioned is faulty reasoning and is a form of confirmation bias.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say “baptize thine infants.” That was a human tradition. If it was important, it would have been commanded in Scripture.

Adam is responsible for the original sin.
We are made like Adam, sinners, responsible for our own sins, not Adam’s.
But if baptism takes care of that, then it would cover for generations afterwards whose bodies have been washed by baptism. But that is not how it works.

Whole families were baptised and everyone at Cornelius’s house was baptised, nothing in Scripture says infants were refused baptism because they couldn’t make an adult profession of faith.
If this was important the Apostles would have taught the denial of baptism to infants, but we don’t see it in Scripture or Christianity for 1600 years.
It was human tradition that went beyond what is written, no Scriptural support.

You have fallen into the trap of going beyond what is written.

Your history.
It is useless to talk to a Catholic about history. They have their own. And they adopt their opponents if expedient. Joan of Arc for example.

Real Catholic history:

Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which conflicts with (Catholic) church dogma must be burned without pity.” (Source: Papal Bull, 1198 A.D.)

Fake quote attributed to Pope Innocent III. Bad start to your “ Real Catholic history “
 

Ben1445

Well-Known Member
Totally unrelated scripture verse referenced, your ignorance is telling.

Who answered in Faith for the infant at circumcision, to spiritually include them into the people Israel, the parents.
Same thing happens at Baptism, that’s why all Christianity baptised infants for the first 1600 years including the first reformers.
Not mentioned till the Third Century but you say all. You have no authority to speak for two millennia ago where no record is left to you.
No, you have to prove a teaching that says to deny Baptism to infants, and there is nothing. Otherwise you are building a doctrine on absence, which is unscriptural.
You present a doctrine in absence of its scriptural teaching. That is foolishness.

That would be like saying drinking water at meals is a doctrine and you have to prove it is not or it still is.

Faith is required at Baptism, that’s why parents make the profession of faith for the infants. Parents have spiritual authority to answer for the infants.
The parents cannot save their children.
Whose faith raised Lazarus from the dead? Lazarus? No, Lazarus was dead. It was Martha’s Faith.
It was Jesus who raised Lazarus. Martha didn’t faith him back to life.
“Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

27 “Yes, Lord,” she replied.”

See that the faith and belief of another stands in for the person who can’t speak for themselves, even to raise the dead.
Their faith affects their ability to have the Lord work in front of them. It doesn’t enable the Lord to work.
It was the faith and belief of the paralytics friends that healed him.
Your interpretation. I don’t deny that they had faith but I can’t believe for any other person.
It was the Faith and belief of the Roman soldier that healed his servant.
It was Jesus who healed all of these people. It is their faith that draws the attention of the Lord to action.
Faith and belief are necessary, but not always “ personal “ Faith and belief, this false human teachings from the 1600s. Not Scriptural.

That’s why all Christianity always baptised infants from the beginning. For the first 1600 years it was universal Christian belief and practice. And yes they all knew the scriptures, you aren’t special and unique there.
So explain where it says baptize the babies.
And thy house is not sufficient evidence. Surely if it were important it would be commanded by Scripture.
Where is the commandment?
 

Ben1445

Well-Known Member
Show me where an Apostle teaches that infants are not be baptised and only personally professing adults can be baptised. Scripture doesn’t teach it, this is human tradition that goes beyond the scripture.
This is what is called a classic case of going beyond what is written. It’s a trap that scripture warns about.
Acts 8. If you believe, you may.
John the Baptist said to the Pharisees, bring forth fruits of repentance. He would not baptize them because they did not believe.
The fact is, you don’t hold to the Apostolic Oral traditions as Paul said to, you only refer to the Written which ironically goes against scripture.
In your twisted opinion of Scripture.
So you aren’t following the scripture which says to hold both oral and written traditions together like Catholics do.
In your twisted opinion of Scripture.
I don’t think you have read subject matter here to have a proper understanding.

And who are you to declare error anyway, it’s just your opinion.
Same as you. Answering your own opinions.
Whole families were baptised and everyone at Cornelius’s house was baptised, nothing in Scripture says infants were refused baptism because they couldn’t make an adult profession of faith.
If this was important the Apostles would have taught the denial of baptism to infants, but we don’t see it in Scripture or Christianity for 1600 years.
It was human tradition that went beyond what is written, no Scriptural support.
Nothing says it was offered to them either.

You have fallen into the trap of going beyond what is written.
Have I? You more.
Fake quote attributed to Pope Innocent III. Bad start to your “ Real Catholic history “
:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao
I’d want to disown that one as fast as I possibly could also were I to have to own the man in my “apostolic succession.”
 

Cathode

Well-Known Member
Acts 8. If you believe, you may.
John the Baptist said to the Pharisees, bring forth fruits of repentance. He would not baptize them because they did not believe.

In your twisted opinion of Scripture.

In your twisted opinion of Scripture.

Same as you. Answering your own opinions.

Nothing says it was offered to them either.


Have I? You more.

:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao
I’d want to disown that one as fast as I possibly could also were I to have to own the man in my “apostolic succession.”

You’re the one preaching the false doctrine of prohibition of baptism to infants, but there is no such prohibition taught anywhere in scripture.

This is human tradition from the 1600s.

Look it up. All of Christianity everywhere for the first 1600 years taught and practiced infant baptism, the majority of Christianity today practices infant baptism and it has always been believed to be Regeneration.

And you are meant to hold both Apostolic Oral Tradition and Written traditions together as scripture says and Catholic do.
You ignore this scripture and are in error.

“So then, brethren, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions which you were taught by us, whether by our word of mouth or by letter.”

You don’t do this, you reject Apostolic Oral traditions. Catholics follow this scripture and hold to Apostolic Oral traditions and written traditions together.

Apostolic Oral traditions explain the scripture.

Apostolic Written Tradition = Scripture.

Apostolic Oral Tradition = Interpretation of Scripture.

You can’t just take the Scriptures, you have to take the Apostles interpretation of the Scriptures.

Otherwise you end up with thousands of conflicting and erroneous human interpretations of scripture that we see in Bible alonism.

If you follow the bible, you will hold to both the oral and written traditions of the Apostles.

See how just this one deviation from scripture leads to many other errors.

So “stand firm and hold fast to the traditions which you were taught by us, whether by our word of mouth or by letter.”

Unfortunately you didn’t stand firm or hold fast. You broke from this scripture teaching.
 

Cathode

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Not mentioned till the Third Century but you say all. You have no authority to speak for two millennia ago where no record is left to you.

You present a doctrine in absence of its scriptural teaching. That is foolishness.

That would be like saying drinking water at meals is a doctrine and you have to prove it is not or it still is.

All the ancient Apostolic Churches east and west, even in schism, all of them baptised infants and said it was Regeneration, it was universal.
I already quoted Origen 244 Ad an early Church scholar saying infant baptism was a practice they did and was the Apostles Tradition handed down to them.
But you don’t believe in Apostolic Tradition that Paul says to stand firm and hold fast to.


The parents cannot save their children.

No, Jesus does, with the faith of the parents.


It was Jesus who raised Lazarus. Martha didn’t faith him back to life.

Their faith affects their ability to have the Lord work in front of them. It doesn’t enable the Lord to work.

Your interpretation. I don’t deny that they had faith but I can’t believe for any other person.

It was Jesus who healed all of these people. It is their faith that draws the attention of the Lord to action.

“And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. And he marvelled because of their unbelief.”

“He didn't work many miracles there because of their lack of faith.”

“The measure you measure will be measured unto you” remember this principle.

Faith draws the power, a mighty faith draws a mighty power.

Jesus secured Martha’s mighty faith in Him before He went to Lazarus’s tomb.

“Do you believe this?”

27 “Yes, Lord,” measured with Martha’s mighty staunch faith and belief

Faith is like the offering of loaves and fish, small like mustard seed or great like an ocean. You bring something to Jesus to work with, remember the measure you measure.

So explain where it says baptize the babies.
And thy house is not sufficient evidence. Surely if it were important it would be commanded by Scripture.
Where is the commandment?

We don’t need a commandment, all we need is a lack of prohibition against baptising infants. There isn’t any prohibition in scripture. Our commandment is Christs general commandment to go and baptise.

You need a commandment to prohibit infants baptism for your doctrine, but there isn’t one in scripture. You have gone beyond what is written, into human tradition.
 
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