And few are Chosen… unconditionally?
Or are they conditionally chosen because they put on the righteous wedding garments of Christ and others did not?
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Redeems those He died for from the Prison of Unbelief !
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Or are they conditionally chosen because they put on the righteous wedding garments of Christ and others did not?
37818
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Conditionally elect, not being of any works.
And is human faith/belief a work?
Brightfame52
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You still just running your mouth
Brightfame52
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I have showed you plenty of Truth from scripture, and you reject it as calvinism, or say its out of context.
37818
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Do you deny the teaching of Romans 4:5? But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Silverhair
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I do that because that is what you post BF.
You do not deal with scripture that proves your view wrong. You just run back to your flawed religion.
Case in point
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
In spite of the clear words of God you still insist that we are saved by the death of Christ.
You keep saying that reconciled means saved.
You trust what some men have said more than you trust the word of God.
As I said before BF. For someone that claims to preach the word of God you show a lack of understanding of the word of God.
Brightfame52
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Christ redeems them He died for from unbelief, iniquity Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Is unbelief iniquity ?
Brightfame52
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I have many times said that the elect are saved by His Life, but they are saved by His death as well. You act like being saved by His Life is saying, but we weren't saved by His death. The elect are saved by both, by His death legally, sins forgiven, and by His Life from the power of sin.
But you deny both. If we go by just they shall be saved by his Life, then why isnt all of humanity saved by His Life ? Explain that
Silverhair
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Sins are not forgiven by His death BF or all of mankind would be saved.
We are saved by His life through faith. BF you would know this if you actually believed the whole word of God.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith;...
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Brightfame52
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He didnt die for all mankind, He died for all who He reconciled to God by His death and shall save by His Life.
Thats not what Rom 5:10 says, so you made a false statement not in the text
Ascetic X
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Who did Jesus die for?
John 3:17 the world
Hebrews 2:9 every man
1John 2:2 the whole world
1Timothy 2:5-6 for all
1Timothy 4:10 all men
Romans 5:6 the ungodly
Romans 5:8 sinners
2Corinthians 5:14-15 for all
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Silverhair
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1Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Who did Christ dies for BF
Joh_3:17 the world
Heb_2:9 every man
1Jn_2:2 the whole world
1Ti_2:5-6 for all
1Ti_4:10 all men
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
Rom_5:8 sinners
2Co_5:14-15 for all
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
reconciled to God
"The verb means primarily to exchange; and hence to change the relation of hostile parties into a relation of peace; to reconcile." VINCENT'S WORD STUDIES
"In the Christian sense, the change in the relation of God and man effected through Christ. This involves, 1. A movement of God toward man with a view to break down man's hostility, to commend God's love and holiness to him, and to convince him of the enormity and the consequence of sin. It is God who initiates this movement in the person and work of Jesus Christ. See Rom_5:6, Rom_5:8; 2Co_5:18, 2Co_5:19; Eph_1:6; 1Jo_4:19. Hence the passive form of the verb here: we were made subjects of God's reconciling act. 2. A corresponding movement on man's part toward God; yielding to the appeal of Christ's self-sacrificing love, laying aside his enmity, renouncing his sin, and turning to God in faith and obedience. 3. A consequent change of character in man; the covering, forgiving, cleansing of his sin; a thorough revolution in all his dispositions and principles. 4. A corresponding change of relation on God's part, that being removed which alone rendered Him hostile to man, so that God can now receive Him into fellowship and let loose upon him all His fatherly love and grace, 1Jo_1:3, 1Jo_1:7. Thus there is complete reconciliation. See, further, on Rom_3:25, Rom_3:26." VINCENT'S WORD STUDIES
No, but you are saying unconditionally elect. This is calvinistic assuming you mean that God produces and irresistibly graces a believer, effectually causing them to believe. Is that what you mean?
37818
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No. I insist election is only conditional in not being by works.
Romans 4:5, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Got it ty!
Brightfame52
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Those whom He reconciled to God by His Death and shall save by His Life Rom 5:10
Brightfame52
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Those He reconciled to God by His death and saved by His Life Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Do you believe this good news ?
Ben1445
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2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Doesn’t your Calvinism say that you cannot deny the Lord if He bought you?