Legalism

Not only is the list-maker unworthy, but there's always someone with a longer list.

 

Which is exactly why the council at Jerusalem made that nasty ol' legalistic list in Acts 15, right?

"That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts 15:29)

 

God cannot love me anymore than He does now.
No matter what I do.

God cannot Hate me anymore than He does now.
No matter what I do.

When God looks at me He sees Christ's righteousness.

Legalism is forgetting this.

 

tinytim, the idea that all sin is the same in God's eyes, and all sinners the same is unbiblical. There are degrees of righteousness or unrighteousness, and God can be more pleased, less pleased, more and less displeased. It is truth that in regard to our eternal salvation, it is all paid for and on that day God will see Christ's righteousness if we have His blood for our atonement. But we will appear at the judgment seat of Christ to recieve the things done in the body.

 

What can I do to make God love me more then?
Since His love is based on what Christ did not what I did. I don't see what I can do to make him love me more.

Salvation is not of works, it is grace.
God chose to love me.
And you!
He didn't have to. Nothing I do or can do will ever merit His love to me.

So what can I do to make Him love me more?

 

I do like what one mentioned earlier that someone will always have a longer list.

Never in a million years, would I have figured out on my own through reading the bible that slacks were not modest. I had to hear it come from somebody elses interpretation and conviction, and I still dont necessarily agree, though I do do my best to be dressed modestly according to their standards when I am with them. I can say the same for modern worship music, which is the music I was accustomed to at the time of my salvation. The thought of it being unGodly never would have occurred to me. I was praising my Lord!

It gets to the point where I can please God, or I can please nit-picky man.

Where it gets confusing to me when it seems as though I need to please nit-picky men in order to please God. The only thing that I can do at that point is try to maintain blamelessness within reason. There really is no way to completely non-offensive to all believers.

 

Abiding by a list of do's and don't's can make one prideful and lazy.

For instance, say church A has a list of about 15 things that make one a "holy" Christian.
On this list is the following.
1. no slacks for women
2. No modern worship Music, hymns only, no drums or CCM
3. KJVO
4. You must go door to door to be truly evangelistic.
5. No drinking
6. No card playing.
7. No movies
8. No TV
9. Read Bible everyday
10. Pray everyday.
11. Go whenever church doors are open.
12. No denominational associations
13. No going to Applebees
14. Men cannot wear shorts
15. No multi-media illustrations

Now suppose a person abides by all these rules that the preacher preaches on all the time.

That person could become prideful, and look down on others that don't.
And if that is all the church ever preaches on, then that person will soon start believing that he or she has spiritually arrived.
At this point they can become lazy and only focus on the above list.

Forgetting the fact that they are judgemental and gossipers, they fall into sin.

 

Oh, I forgot,

16. No dancing
17. Men cannot have long hair
18. Women must have heads covered
19. No eating within church (fellowship hall must not be connected to church building.)
20. No Santa Claus
21. No pictures of Jesus on walls
22. No sunrise service
23. No drinking soda from bottles that could be mistaken for beer.
(BTW, has anyone tried Jones Soda?)
24. Must always sing the Doxology when receiving offering.
(if biology is the study of life, theology is the study of God, is Doxology the study of DOXEN?)
25. No advent season services
26. Men must not wear beards.
. . . You get the idea.

 

Exactly right! God never made lists. The Ten Commandments were Moses' idea.

 

Trying to follow the OT law today is yet another form of legalism. That schoolmaster became obsolete once Christ came to provide true righteousness (Gal. 3).

 

Exactly! You are right! For example, Jesus never ever taught the ten commandments, did He!! Oh.... I forgot in the Sermon on the Mount where He actually taught them and made them internal, except for that one on the 7th day.... Hmm. Maybe morality is for all ages....

 

Acts is a book of transition from law to grace.

For instance, in the Book of Acts, Jesus Christ brought the revelation to Peter that He cleansed both the gentiles and their food (for one thing, it's difficult to keep kosher on the road in gentile nations) for the fulfilling of the Abrahamic Covenant.

With the full revelation of God through other apostles we have:

Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean (I was however unable to eat a bowl of hog's blood soup offered to me by a Polish man, but that was me).

As to our relationship to the Law we have exactly the same relationship that a dead man on a cross has to it.

NONE.

In Judaism a dead man is freed from the Law of Moses.

We are dead in Christ to the Law but alive unto God through the Spirit which raised Him from the dead.

We are NOT under the law but led of the Spirit who has never led anyone to commit the works of the flesh.

Galatians 5
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

If we call ourselves "Christian" and yet commit or even yearn for the works of the flesh, then I believe we are "sick", "weak" carnal Christians or Christians who are ready to die ("sleep").

Romans 8
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

OR, perhaps we are none of His and the Law must rule over us to protect society from our evil deeds.

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.

If we walk in the Spirit we won't need mere "morality" which changes like the weather.

For instance fornication is perfectly moral today between "consenting adults".
The ultra moral would add "they should be in love as well".

HankD

 

Jesus did not teach the ten commandments in Mat 5. Five times He said, "Ye have heard . . . But I say unto you . . . ". Jesus was teaching a greater law--an internal law of the heart--not the Mosaic Law. Christ was the teacher greater than Moses. He fulfilled the OT Law.

Of course morality is for all ages, but the OT law is not. It's purpose was condemnation, as are all merely legal systems. As Hank's post clearly points out, we live by the Spirit, not in the power of the flesh--trying to keep laws by our own effort.

 

tinytim
"13. No going to Applebees"
"
I recognize all the other prohibitions, but from a legalistic position, what is sinfull about eating at Applebees?

 

They serve alcohol ... better known in fundy circles as "liquor".

 

I certainly hope the schoolmaster has not become obsolete...my 4 year old and 2 year old are not yet born again. What a tragedy if the Law is not available to teach them their need for the wonderful grace found in the person of Christ. What a tragedy that we have come to a place in the church that all we need is the Love and Liberty of Christ...We have forgoten about that eye-opening reality that each one of us must face as we behold ourselves next to that awesome and humbling picture that is CHRIST'S RIGHTEOUSNESS...the Law of God.

Max

 

They serve alcohol ... better known in fundy circles as "liquor". </font>[/QUOTE]Tinytim was being facetious. No Fundamentalist I know of nowadays has a standard against eating at a place selling liquor (a word used in many circles, including among proprietors of "liquor stores").

 

Well said, Max.