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What is Apollinarianism?

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Van

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Since the soul often refers to the core attributes, i.e. the soul of the matter, the most likely understanding is the human soul refers to the core attributes (personhood) of our human spirit, rather than the other way around.

Thus the human attributes of Christ, were fully attributes of His incarnate divine spirit, just as our human attributes are fully attributes of our human spirit.
 
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Apollinarianism is a heretical belief from the fourth century that claims Jesus had a human body and soul but lacked a human mind, which was instead replaced by his divine nature. This view was rejected by early church councils, as it undermined the full humanity and divinity of Christ.
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Exactly backwards!!

We are two part, not three part. Flesh and Spirit/Soul. Anytime you see a reference to our human spirit, it has our "soul" with it, and everything you see reference to our human soul, it has our human spirit with it.

Our human spirit animates our physical body, when the spirit departs, the body dies.

Yes there are numerous verses that say when the "soul" departs, the body dies, and numerous other verses that say when the spirit departs the body dies. So how are we to chose, except to realize both must always refer to the same life force.

If anyone is unable to check this for themselves, here are a few verses of each type!

Soul departs, body dies =Gen 35:18, 1 Kings 17:22, Isa 53:12

Spirit departs, body dies = Psa 104:29, Ecc. 12:7, James 2:26
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Note to Van; If you build your understanding from the OT where we are distinctly told that these truths are hidden then you will always be in the dark. The OT is revealed by the NT.
 
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Van said:
Exactly backwards!!

We are two part, not three part. Flesh and Spirit/Soul.

Yes there are numerous verses that say when the "soul" departs, the body dies, and numerous other verses that say when the spirit departs the body dies. So how are we to chose, except to realize both must always refer to the same life force.
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I Thessalonians 5:23

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Van

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JD731 said:
Apollinarianism is a heretical belief from the fourth century that claims Jesus had a human body and soul but lacked a human mind, which was instead replaced by his divine nature. This view was rejected by early church councils, as it undermined the full humanity and divinity of Christ.

Note to Van; If you build your understanding from the OT where we are distinctly told that these truths are hidden then you will always be in the dark. The OT is revealed by the NT.
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Note to JD731, your post conveys nothing. Are you claiming my view is Apollinarianism? It is not.
Are you claiming my views are based on interpreting the NT by the doctrines of the OT? They are not.
 
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Van said:
Note to JD731, your post conveys nothing. Are you claiming my view is Apollinarianism? It is not.
Are you claiming my views are based on interpreting the NT by the doctrines of the OT? They are not.
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Thanks Van. I am saying this doctrine as it has been defined is not Christian doctrine and Christian believers have been instructed on how to react to non Christian doctrine. Here!

Ro 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Paul goes on to say:

19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all [men]. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

We do not need to study this ism, we need to avoid it and know as little about it as possible. It is a red wheel created by the devil to distract.


If one is to know how the Spirit works in redemption, he must study him in the NT scriptures. He did not redeem anyone in the OT and all your quotes were from the OT.

1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. - OT = soul and body = corrupt nature

2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. - NT = Soul - body - Spirit

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

I have no doubt that Jesus Christ has a mind.
 
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JD731 said:
Thanks Van. I am saying this doctrine as it has been defined is not Christian doctrine and Christian believers have been instructed on how to react to non Christian doctrine. Here!
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1) The fact that Apollinarianism is errant doctrine is not at issue.

2) Jesus was fully human in body and mind. Scripture says He was in the likeness of man.

3) Apollinarianism denied Jesus was fully human, ignoring He emptied Himself to become in the likeness of human beings.

4) But, the belief Jesus had two spirits, a divine spirit and a human spirit is also errant.
 
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Van said:
1) The fact that Apollinarianism is errant doctrine is not at issue.

2) Jesus was fully human in body and mind. Scripture says He was in the likeness of man.

3) Apollinarianism denied Jesus was fully human, ignoring He emptied Himself to become in the likeness of human beings.

4) But, the belief Jesus had two spirits, a divine spirit and a human spirit is also errant.
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But you said this not long ago, in post #9 on “Today I have fathered you?” topic:

“Jesus, the human man, was NOT created! Yes His physical body was created, but He did not have a human mind. He did not have a human "soul." He did not have a human "spirit." He was God incarnate. God in the flesh.”

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Apollinarianism
is a 4th-century Christian heresy proposed by Apollinaris of Laodicea that claimed Jesus Christ had a human body, but He had a divine mind (Logos) rather than a human mind.
 
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Ascetic X said:
But you said this not long ago, in post #9 on “Today I have fathered you?” topic:

“Jesus, the human man, was NOT created! Yes His physical body was created, but He did not have a human mind. He did not have a human "soul." He did not have a human "spirit." He was God incarnate. God in the flesh.”

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Apollinarianism
is a 4th-century Christian heresy proposed by Apollinaris of Laodicea that claimed Jesus Christ had a human body and lower soul but a divine mind (Logos) rather than a human rational mind.
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Yes, I can see how my statement conveyed error. Jesus the man was not created with a human spirit/soul. His fully human mind was the product of his physical brain intertwined with His divine Spirit, as altered to become in the likeness of our human spirit.

1) A human mind links our human spirit with our physical brain.

2) Jesus had a human like mind with His divine Spirit, altered to be in the likeness of our human spirit, linked to His physical brain.

If anyone has an alternate view, please by all means clearly state that you claim Jesus had two spirits.
 
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Van said:
Yes, I can see how my statement conveyed error. Jesus the man was not created with a human spirit/soul. His fully human mind was the product of his physical brain intertwined with His divine Spirit, as altered to become in the likeness of our human mind.

Sir, please answer this question, did Jesus have two spirits, a divine one and a human one, or One Spirit?
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Depends on what is meant by spirit. You seem to have said soul, mind, and spirit are the same thing. Honestly, I find the 3 words confusing as used in the Bible.
 
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Ascetic X said:
Depends on what is meant by spirit. You seem to have said soul, mind, and spirit are the same thing. Honestly, I find the 3 words confusing as used in the Bible.
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No answer! You constantly misrepresent me but avoid stating your view. Fiddlesticks.

One spirit or two! Such a simple question.
 
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Van said:
No answer! You constantly misrepresent me but avoid stating your view. Fiddlesticks.

One spirit or two! Such a simple question.
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This question of yours is as silly as asking if Jesus had one body or two.

You will not explain what you mean by spirit.

When will you get serious about sacred subjects?
 
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Ascetic X said:
This question of yours is as silly as asking if Jesus had one body or two.

You will not explain what you mean by spirit.

When will you get serious about sacred subjects?
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Sir, you have revealed your character, candor and integrity. Goodbye.

Folks, Jesus the man was not created with a human spirit/soul. His fully human mind was the product of his physical brain intertwined with His divine Spirit, as altered to become in the likeness of our human mind.
 
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Recently a well respected poster claimed my Christology was the heresy of Apollinarianism. I claimed it was not. I never acknowledged the poster was correct, because I did not, and the poster, as far as I know, never acknowledged I was right, either.

This failure to reach consensus is the bane of many of our threads, with no one admitting error and agreeing with the better explanation of scripture.

Lets start with a clear explanation of the doctrine of Apollinarianism. I derived this view from this website:
What is Apollinarianism?

The heresy called Apollinarianism, denied that Christ was "fully human" claiming "Jesus lacked the full human composition of body, mind, and spirit." [Emphasis added] This was also presented as Jesus "did not assume a complete human mind." [Emphasis added]

The counter view, proclaiming Apollinarianism to be heresy, rested on the view that Jesus needed a human spirit to have a complete human mind. The counter view supported their claim citing Hebrews 2:17 which reads in the NASB:

Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brothers so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. [Emphasis added]

Here in the above translation we find the misleading phrase "in all things" which could reasonable be construed to include a human spirit. However, a better translation would be "according to all necessary things" which would NOT imply all things.

The fact that Apollinarianism is errant doctrine is not at issue. Jesus was fully human in body and mind. Scripture says He was in the likeness of man. Apollinarianism denied Jesus was fully human, ignoring He emptied Himself to become in the likeness of human beings. But, the belief Jesus had two spirits, a divine spirit and a human spirit is also errant. When Jesus physically died on the cross, He gave up ONE Spirit, not TWO.

Jesus the man was not created with a human spirit/soul. His fully human mind was the product of his physical brain intertwined with His divine Spirit, as altered to become in the likeness of our human mind.
 
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‘For the [fn Literally: soul ] life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the [fn ]Literally: soul] life that makes atonement.’ Lev 17:11 NASB95

and having cried with a loud voice, Jesus said, 'Father, to Thy hands I commit my spirit;' and these things having said, he breathed forth the spirit. Luke 23:46 YLT

Am I correct in my understanding?

Was it when the spirit of Jesus was breathed forth from Jesus unto the hands of the Father that atonement was made for our soul?

Did the soul / life being, in the blood of Jesus depart from Jesus when he breathed forth the spirit? Is that when Jesus died for our sins?

Question? Did his mind go with the spirit or remain with the flesh/body or soul?
 
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