Experiencing God

I watch a lot of Christian television. I see a lot of Pentecostal preachers on there, teaching that Christ procured our healing in the atonement. They say that we are alreday healed but that we have to receive or take that healing. One precaher in particular says that we should nit talk to God about our sickness but rather talk to our sickness about God. In other words, don't ask God to heal us because He has already done that through Jesus' atonement. Rather, we must command our sickness to leave us, like Jesus' words 'be removed and cast into the sea', and if it doesn't, that's not on God because it is we who are either doing something wrong or not doing something right which is preventing the manifesting of our healing.

To me, this teaching could potentially do more harm than good.

Earth Wind and Fire said:

Frankly, I don’t experience God like that… I do believe he requires ( needs) people on earth to step up and bring heaven to earth. And that ain’t easy. IOW, I gotta help Him achieve his goals… which I’m not interested in pursuing right now. If he wanted my help he could have given me my wife for me to cope and he didn’t .. he took her. So let him struggle himself… I’m done with him. Let it burn.

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If you are done with God then why are you writing on a Christian board?

You may, as you say, be done with God but I do not think He is done with you.

EFW many of us on this board have suffered the loss of someone close to us. We all hurt and many times will lash out in anger or frustration.

You say you want to be with your wife but do you think by denying God that you will be with her?

Our trials will either break us or strengthen us, I pray that it will do the latter for you.

easternstar said:

I watch a lot of Christian television. I see a lot of Pentecostal preachers on there, teaching that Christ procured our healing in the atonement. They say that we are alreday healed but that we have to receive or take that healing. One precaher in particular says that we should nit talk to God about our sickness but rather talk to our sickness about God. In other words, don't ask God to heal us because He has already done that through Jesus' atonement. Rather, we must command our sickness to leave us, like Jesus' words 'be removed and cast into the sea', and if it doesn't, that's not on God because it is we who are either doing something wrong or not doing something right which is preventing the manifesting of our healing.

To me, this teaching could potentially do more harm than good.

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Good point. I pray to God because He can do anything. I ask for things that I need help with. Sometimes He answers how I was hoping, and sometimes not. Its in Gods hands as long as we have lifted it up to Him.

easternstar said:

I watch a lot of Christian television. I see a lot of Pentecostal preachers on there, teaching that Christ procured our healing in the atonement. They say that we are alreday healed but that we have to receive or take that healing. One precaher in particular says that we should nit talk to God about our sickness but rather talk to our sickness about God. In other words, don't ask God to heal us because He has already done that through Jesus' atonement. Rather, we must command our sickness to leave us, like Jesus' words 'be removed and cast into the sea', and if it doesn't, that's not on God because it is we who are either doing something wrong or not doing something right which is preventing the manifesting of our healing.

To me, this teaching could potentially do more harm than good.

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On the contrary, the cessationist doctrine that the so-called “sign gifts” have been mysteriously discontinued when the first apostles died, and we cannot minister gifts of miracle healings to our brothers and sisters makes Christians feel helpless when sickness attacks them.

“By His stripes ye were healed” is absolute truth in the physical realm. But we have been so oppressed into resignation when something like cancer strikes, we cannot fully exhibit how healing is indeed included in the atonement. To compound this disaster, charlatans on Christian TV, like Benny Hinn, who supports the bizarre Toronto Blessing nonsense, muddy the waters with their shenanigans.

People see the fake faith healers and think the whole divine healing concept is not to be trusted. So they merely hope God will decide to heal their bodies, but have no confidence. They do not understand how it is always God’s will to heal.

So let’s look at Jesus. He healed everybody, constantly. He did more healings than sermons. Entire towns would bring all their diseased, crippled, and mentally ill to Jesus, rivers of sick folk, all getting delivered.

Our Jesus does more than save our souls from sin and hell. Jesus is the Healing God. He hates cancer, leprosy, heart failure, diabetes, schizophrenia, and all the forces of darkness that attack our minds and bodies.

We have trouble manifesting “by His stripes ye were healed” because our pastors and seminary professors lack faith in healing and tell us it is rare. That is where the real trouble lies.

Incredible book for building your faith, not just healing. Literally my favorite book, I cannot recommend enough.

The Spirit of God calls us to solitude, silence and stillness.

This is where our attention is singular. The devil wants us focused on ANYTHING else but quieted reflection and stillness.

The devil wants our minds and hearts and desires elsewhere. He wants our minds occupied, obsessed, worried and befouled.
He wants our hearts loving self and anything other than God.
He wants to demoralise our will in it’s determination toward God, discouraging us at every turn, to make you feel that all is pointless.

To love the Lord with all our heart, mind and strength, we must persistently engage our heart and mind.
How long does it take for you to clear your mind and disordered attachments of your heart.
Observe yourself, your heart and mind, what are they occupied with?

For some, silence and solitude is terrifying, they avoid it with everything they can.
But for those entering the spiritual realm it is necessary to enter by silence and stillness, and detachment, this is the necessary state of the supernatural reality.

All your Heart, All your mind, All your strength.

All. Does not leave room for partial or half hearted attention but total attentiveness.

Some initially need to go literally into the wilderness to disengage their hearts and minds, but for those practiced, they can enter this state of stillness almost anywhere anytime.

The disposition of stillness allows clear perception of God, His Love and Holy Will.

Silence and stillness is the Soul’s reverence before the ever present Lord.
Only in this reverence do we perceive the Presence of the Lord.

“ Be still and know that I am God “

More is communicated in stillness and silence than all the words of men.

When our heart and mind is directed completely at Jesus on the Cross all other loves disappear, we are in full Worship of our first Love.
The greatest expression of Jesus Love happens here at the Cross, our disposition complete Adoration.

Being still is knowing God it places us in His Presence and being in His Presence allows us to shed His Joy and gentle love and light to all we meet.
People will say ‘ I don’t know what he does around here, but it is great that he is here’

Let your light shine before men, and our Light is Christ.
We radiate what we are in proximity to, by reverent stillness in Jesus Presence we are bringing Jesus to others by their attraction to Him.
No hard selling.
I remember a market stall where a bloke put an electric fan behind his bbq blowing the aromas of cooking steak and onions into a vast hungry crowd. Very hard to ignore.

The world is hungry for the steak and onions of Christ, they want what you have which is Christ.
Souls recognise genuine Love, and you by living in the Presence will radiate His Love.
This can not help but happen.