Bible Vendor

John of Japan said:

Welcome! I hope you enjoy the discussions.

May I ask your credentials as a Bible scholar?

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Let me add some clarification. I sincerely believe that anyone, that can read can be a Bible scholar, but everyone that can read is not a Bible scholar, because everyone that can read, does not study the Bible and study it seriously.
l am very proud to be a self-taught scholar and the proof of my scholarship is that I was very able to stand my ground, against those with credentials, and who many times offered weak responses or just kept repeating themselves, in the debate that erupted after I posted ‘Lord’s Prayer Updated’, which sadly the moderators decided to end prematurely.
I was enjoying the exchange and I really wish we could continue.
Blessings to everyone that contributed to the debate and those who just followed it.

BibleVendor said:

Let me add some clarification. I sincerely believe that anyone, that can read can be a Bible scholar, but everyone that can read is not a Bible scholar, because everyone that can read, does not study the Bible and study it seriously.
l am very proud to be a self-taught scholar and the proof of my scholarship is that I was very able to stand my ground, against those with credentials, and who many times offered weak responses or just kept repeating themselves, in the debate that erupted after I posted ‘Lord’s Prayer Updated’, which sadly the moderators decided to end prematurely.
I was enjoying the exchange and I really wish we could continue.
Blessings to everyone that contributed to the debate and those who just followed it.

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So, what you are saying is that you do not have any normally accepted credentials.
Have you ever attended a Bible College?

I do have additional questions from post # 33 on page 2 of this thread

Salty said:

So, what you are saying is that you do not have any normally accepted credentials.
Have you ever attended a Bible College?

I do have additional questions from post # 33 on page 2 of this thread

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Never did and never will. Even though I am self taught, in any exchange against those, who studied the Bible in some institution II always prevail.

Why would you never attend a Bible college?

BibleVendor said:

l am very proud to be a self-taught scholar and the proof of my scholarship is that I was very able to stand my ground, against those with credentials, and who many times offered weak responses or just kept repeating themselves, in the debate that erupted after I posted ‘Lord’s Prayer Updated’, which sadly the moderators decided to end prematurely.

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What's to be proud of? As many have stated: even those who are legitimate "Scholars" usually do not refer to themselves as such. If you truly are a scholar, let it be others who would call you such! As for myself, I am a STUDENT of the scriptures as I am always learning and the more I learn, the more I realize I do not know!

I never got to see your "Lord's Prayer Updated" so I am unable to comment or make my own judgment. I am a "Big Boy" though (not a scholar) and am able to exercise my own discernment. I am highly suspicious of anyone thinking they have some "angle" on the scriptures that everyone else seems to have overlooked throughout the history of the Church!

As I said in a prior post here, one is usually not "self-taught" by choice but through lack of opportunity or circumstances beyond their control, being "self-taught" was their only option. I am sensing a little pride here that ought not to be.

BibleVendor said:

Even though I am self taught, in any exchange against those, who studied the Bible in some institution II always prevail.

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Proverbs 18:12
Before destruction the heart of man is haughty,
And before honour is humility.

Ben1445 said:

Because he didn’t say that. When asked for clarification about his usage of the word, he gave no answer.

I don’t want to accept your definition as what he meant. I would like it from him.
The question is what quality of time have you spent?
A self guided tour of education may be rigorous or relaxing. A degree comes with classes and course requirements. The self guided tour may have been more rigorous than a full class load. That is fine. I would not expect them to keep track of their own credit hours for a class they aren’t taking from a college they aren’t attending. Just some kind of explanation like “I really like biblical languages and that is my favorite personal study,” or something like that. It’s not a federal case.

It is really just a meet and greet kind of question that got a lot of attention based on some other questionable posts.

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1) I did not say what he meant, that would be putting words in his mouth. Not the way to treat others with dignity.

2) I said we could just limit our inference as to avoid finding fault. He has studied God's word and desires to learn more. That is the outlook of all actual bible scholars.

3) You seem to see value in the expense of obtaining a degree. I have a news flash, people no longer need to be receptacles of information, as AI will provide the information needed to address the issue. But demonstrated proficiency will be needed, do the positions reflect truth, or are they a dodge, a change of subject, a word salad. I learned to study the bible in a classroom setting, taught by Pastors with degrees. Not self guided, or designed to indoctrinate with bogus traditions such as Calvinism or Easy Believism.

I agree with Ben - We asked BV a question - and for some time - he refused to answer!
And then I asked him why he would never attend Bible College - well, I am still waiting on an answer to a valid question.

I can see why Ken posted Proverbs 18:12 - BV's statement of "I always prevail." (post # 63) certainly is not within the realm of humility.

He certainly did not prevail in that deleted “Lord’s Prayer Updated” thread, where he presented bizarre, unbiblical doctrines that nobody agreed with.

Van said:

1) I did not say what he meant, that would be putting words in his mouth. Not the way to treat others with dignity.

2) I said we could just limit our inference as to avoid finding fault. He has studied God's word and desires to learn more. That is the outlook of all actual bible scholars.

3) You seem to see value in the expense of obtaining a degree. I have a news flash, people no longer need to be receptacles of information, as AI will provide the information needed to address the issue. But demonstrated proficiency will be needed, do the positions reflect truth, or are they a dodge, a change of subject, a word salad. I learned to study the bible in a classroom setting, taught by Pastors with degrees. Not self guided, or designed to indoctrinate with bogus traditions such as Calvinism or Easy Believism.

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I disagree with you on “AI will provide the information needed to address the issue.”

I didn’t interact with AI very long before I found it quite mistaken. I have no interest in sources that lie. I don’t value their opinions whatsoever.
Ai is GIGO. Garbage in, Garbage out.
And since Ai is trained by people who make errors, with information containing errors, the problem with an Ai preacher is going to be a great one. I personally , would opt to spend the time with someone who listens to the Holy Spirit and not ai when it comes to Scripture.

While I do appreciate the work that is supposed to be done in obtaining a degree, I recognize that a degree doesn’t mean that its owner is without error. Just like being a self made scholar is not a great thing. There are always better teachers than self. BV doesn’t credit anyone but himself. Those are the “scholars” I expect to find in biblical error.

Ben1445 said:

I disagree with you on “AI will provide the information needed to address the issue.”

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I wholeheartedly am on your side on the issue of AI. I have used it as a lark and most of the time as it automatically comes up on a search.

I, too, have found error. I am going to start keeping a log of these errors for Christians in my SS class, here, and wherever that believe that AI has trustworthy information.

BibleVendor said:

Let me add some clarification. I sincerely believe that anyone, that can read can be a Bible scholar, but everyone that can read is not a Bible scholar, because everyone that can read, does not study the Bible and study it seriously.
l am very proud to be a self-taught scholar and the proof of my scholarship is that I was very able to stand my ground, against those with credentials, and who many times offered weak responses or just kept repeating themselves, in the debate that erupted after I posted ‘Lord’s Prayer Updated’, which sadly the moderators decided to end prematurely.
I was enjoying the exchange and I really wish we could continue.
Blessings to everyone that contributed to the debate and those who just followed it.

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Hey, careful there. When you pat yourself on the back it's easy to get a shoulder injury.

But it's nice to know you are such a humble servant of the Lord.

BibleVendor said:

Let me add some clarification. I sincerely believe that anyone, that can read can be a Bible scholar, but everyone that can read is not a Bible scholar, because everyone that can read, does not study the Bible and study it seriously.
l am very proud to be a self-taught scholar and the proof of my scholarship is that I was very able to stand my ground, against those with credentials, and who many times offered weak responses or just kept repeating themselves, in the debate that erupted after I posted ‘Lord’s Prayer Updated’, which sadly the moderators decided to end prematurely.
I was enjoying the exchange and I really wish we could continue.
Blessings to everyone that contributed to the debate and those who just followed it.

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Take what I have to say softly because I am worried about you. That's why you were not banned from the other thread.

No, there was no "proof" of your scholarship. You did not "stand your ground" AGAINST people with credentials who offered "weak responses and repetition.

I am not a scholar. I am just someone who has read, studied, and taught the Bible for 40+ years.

Here is/was your grave error that makes me worry so about you.

[1] You added an entire new verse that Jesus NEVER said. And that's not all you changed stating that because Jesus spoke that before he rose from the dead that it NEEDED to be changed. Please answer this. Is the entire OLD TESTAMENT to be pitched in the trash because it was written before Jesus had died/risen yet? And the 99% of the gospels? Please answer that question.

[2] You stated Jesus was made into a sinner and died spiritually. And was not raised physically. Spiritually dead means worthy of hell.

[3] You stated that between the Garden of Gethsemane and the resurrection that Jesus Christ was NOT the Son of God. That he switched back and forth. How then, if he were NOT the Son of God at that time and was dead spiritually did Jesus save the thief on the cross, how did he miraculously knock down the soldiers and temple officers who came to arrest him by just saying "I AM he", and how did he go to paradise and sheol. How did he GO anywhere in that time if he were not the Son of God and was just a spiritually dead sinner? Please answer that.

When someone comes to the Baptist Board and boasts of their knowledge that is wrong, I search to see where else across the internet I can find them and I always do. I found you at another site doing the same thing.

Several people there "liked" your posts and posted appreciation. I can only pray also for them. I say this with tenderness. I have been found wrong sometimes in my walk with Christ, but when I someone presents scripture to me that proves me wrong - I stand corrected. I am not too proud to say I was wrong.

You said you welcomed any correction. You received it and balked at it and boasted how proud you were in your scholarship of the Bible.

Please understand that people here are WORRIED that you have been taught lies and that you do not know the important truths of Christ.

I usually can spot a troll right off the bat. I'm struggling. I don't want to ban you if you just don't know the truth and someone who is not saved has taught you wrong.

Ben1445 said:

I disagree with you on “AI will provide the information needed to address the issue.”

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I was about to comment on this myself but got distracted with other things.

AI is simply a quick way to collate information that a search algorithm finds on the web. I believe it has some good uses but AI does not typically represent the thought process and analytics of which only a human mind is capable. Furthermore, when someone studies the scriptures, prepares sermons, writes papers, and so forth, such efforts ought to impact and transform the one who is doing the study. This is crucial not only to the learning process but also to one's spiritual growth. What you read and study ought to have an affect upon you and should therefore have an affect upon those who are recipients. If Van is speaking of mere "empty facts" then I would be in agreement. Anyone can purchase a book and put it on their shelf and in many cases, this is what AI does. The learning process happens when someone takes the book down from the shelf and actually reads it.

BibleVendor said:

Never did and never will. Even though I am self taught, in any exchange against those, who studied the Bible in some institution II always prevail.

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This presupposes that someone attending a Bible college has not and does not study the Bible for themselves. So you feel you will always be superior, but you really don't understand what happens at a Bible college. Ever taken a test on your knowledge of a book of the Bible or a certain biblical subject? Ever written an essay (to be graded, not an Internet post) on a point of interpretation? Ever written a 5-8 page research paper, referencing theologians and other experts (scholars) on the Bible? Ever read a single book about theology? (My Bible Doctrines students are required to read 500 pages about certain Bible doctrines.) Ever been required to attend a conference for a whole week, all day every day, on one particular subject taught in the Bible?

Color me skeptical. If you did not answer these questions in the positive, you have never been tested and tried on your knowledge of the Bible. We simply must take your word for it that you are awesome in your Bible knowledge.

You know, students come to Bible college not because they are ignorant, but because they love the Bible, study it on their own, and want to learn to serve God better. Our students face rigorous training and testing, required personal evangelism and other Christian sefrvice, a strict Bible curriculum with subjects like Bible Doctrines, Dispensational Theology, New Testament Greek (I teach these three), Baptist Distinctives (know what those are?), NT and OT survey, Revelation, etc., etc. All of these are intense, difficult subjects.

I am wondering if Bible Vendor is a KJO?

Salty said:

I am wondering if Bible Vendor is a KJO?

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Naw, he is BVO--Bible Vendor Only.