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kyredneck

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John of Japan said:
Revelation 20:

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. {hell: or, the grave}
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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Yea, judged according to their works, NOT whether or not they had heard the gospel.

Romans Chapter 2

5​

but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6​

who will render to every man according to his works:

7​

to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:

8​

but unto them that are factious, and obey not the truth, but obey unrighteousness, shall be wrath and indignation,

9​

tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that worketh evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek;

10​

but glory and honor and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek:

11​

for there is no respect of persons with God.

12​

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;

13​

for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:

14​

(for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;

15​

in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them);
 
kyredneck

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John Chapter 16

2​

They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you shall think that he offereth service unto God.

Aaron said:
Saul of Tarsus
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Galatians Chapter 1

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...when it was the good pleasure of God...

16​

...to reveal his Son in me...

John Chapter 10

3​

To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

Acts Chapter 9

4​

and he fell upon the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5​

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest:
 
atpollard

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kyredneck said:
John Chapter 16

2​

They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you shall think that he offereth service unto God.



Galatians Chapter 1

15​

...when it was the good pleasure of God...

16​

...to reveal his Son in me...

John Chapter 10

3​

To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

Acts Chapter 9

4​

and he fell upon the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5​

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest:
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So why did Paul then go and tell others?
(Just exploring your chain of thought.)

Why are the HYPER-Calvinists that oppose all efforts to reach the lost not correct? [other than the verses that say they are [Mark 6:15]. )
 
kyredneck

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atpollard said:
So why did Paul then go and tell others?
(Just exploring your chain of thought.)

Why are the HYPER-Calvinists that oppose all efforts to reach the lost not correct? [other than the verses that say they are [Mark 6:15]. )
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I know of no one of the Sovereign Grace persuasion that opposes reaching the lost. Perhaps your info comes from their enemies?

Question for you:

Why do hyper-evangelicals unabashedly place the burden of other’s eternal destiny on the backs of the saints when they’ve nothing to do with their own eternal destiny, far much less the eternal destiny of others?

Not even those under the yoke of the law had such a burden placed upon them.
 
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John of Japan

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kyredneck said:
Yea, judged according to their works, NOT whether or not they had heard the gospel.
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I see, so you believe in a works salvation, don't you?

As for salvation through the proclamation of Christ, I invite you to interact with the Romans 10 passage above.
kyredneck said:
Romans Chapter 2

5​

but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6​

who will render to every man according to his works:

7​

to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:

8​

but unto them that are factious, and obey not the truth, but obey unrighteousness, shall be wrath and indignation,

9​

tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that worketh evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek;

10​

but glory and honor and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek:

11​

for there is no respect of persons with God.

12​

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;

13​

for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:

14​

(for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;

15​

in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them);
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Rom. 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse."

According to Romans 1, which you have ignored, natural revelation urges people to seek God, and it they do not, they are "without excuse." No one can come to the Great White Throne, when lost people are cast into the Lake of Fire (clearly in Rev. 20, which you ignore), and say, "I did not hear the Gospel."

Go to any non-Christian culture. They are all deeply sinful: Muslims are full of hate, Buddhists are full of lust (you cannot defy desire without it catching you), tribal religions are full of evil spirits. Have you ever been to a country that espouses one of these religions? If not, who are you to pontificate about fictional people who haven't heard the Gospel? You mocked me for saying I was a missionary, but I've been to those people groups, not just Japan, and I know the evil they perpetrate. Get out into the world and see for yourself. The world is full of Satan's evil. "There is none righteous, no not one." That's Bible!!!
 
atpollard

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kyredneck said:
I know of no one of the Sovereign Grace persuasion that opposes reaching the lost. Perhaps your info comes from their enemies?

Question for you:

Why do hyper-evangelicals unabashedly place the burden of other’s eternal destiny on the backs of the saints when they’ve nothing to do with their own eternal destiny, far much less the eternal destiny of others?

Not even those under the yoke of the law had such a burden placed upon them.
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That seems a non-answer to the question that I actually asked.

If people are saved by God before they hear, making "HEARING the Gospel" non-essential [please correct me if I have misunderstood what you have been claiming] ... then GOD saved Paul without any human help, so and my question is:

Why did Paul then go and tell others?​


(Why did God not just go and save others like God saved Paul?)
 
atpollard

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kyredneck said:
Question for you:

Why do hyper-evangelicals unabashedly place the burden of other’s eternal destiny on the backs of the saints when they’ve nothing to do with their own eternal destiny, far much less the eternal destiny of others?

Not even those under the yoke of the law had such a burden placed upon them.
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My answer to your question:

I cannot answer WHY another person does something. I would suggest that individuals that place the burden for one person's salvation on the back of another are actually few and far between (like genuine Pelagians).

What is far more common (imho) is people that firmly believe that "God uses means" and an event like the conversion of Paul is the EXCEPTION rather than the RULE. God more commonly "DRAWS" people to himself like The Baptizer calling out to Phillip and Andrew to follow Jesus and Andrew telling Simon about Jesus. Another example is the Ethiopian struggling with the scroll of Isaiah and God sending an Apostle to explain it to him.

The trick is to recognize that Paul plants and Apollos waters, but God causes the growth [1 Corinthians 3:5-9], as in the case of Lydia where God opened her heart to respond to the words of Paul [Acts 16:14].

However, the Baptizer did send Phillip and Andrew. Andrew did tell Simon. Philip did explain to the Ethiopian. Paul did preach to Lydia.
God used means. [His choice.] [shrug]
 
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John of Japan said:
I see, so you believe in a works salvation, don't you?
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It's unbecoming of the great John of Japan of the Baptistboard to resort to this sort of dishonesty.

True or false?:

2nd Corinthians Chapter 5

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For we must all be made manifest before the judgment-seat of Christ; that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
 
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kyredneck said:
It's unbecoming of the great John of Japan of the Baptistboard to resort to this sort of dishonesty.
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Funny. You are using sarcasm here, but you didn't recognize my sarcasm. :( (Please call me not great. Only God is.)
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True or false?:

2nd Corinthians Chapter 5

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For we must all be made manifest before the judgment-seat of Christ; that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
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Of course, the Judgment Seat of Christ for believers, not unbelievers, since this was written to a church. And your point is???
 
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atpollard said:
If people are saved by God before they hear
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They're made alive, born from above, born of God, born of the Spirit BEFORE conversion, so that they can hear, see, receive, believe and be 'saved' into His kingdom from their vain manner of life.

Sheesh, 'regeneration before faith' used to be a 'Calvinist' staple. You didn't get the memo?
 
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John of Japan said:
Of course, the Judgment Seat of Christ for believers, not unbelievers, since this was written to a church. And your point is???
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Doesn't sound like 'believers only' to me:

Romans Chapter 2

5​

but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6​

who will render to every man according to his works:

7​

to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:

8​

but unto them that are factious, and obey not the truth, but obey unrighteousness, shall be wrath and indignation,

9​

tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that worketh evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek;

10​

but glory and honor and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek:

11​

for there is no respect of persons with God.

12​

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;

13​

for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:

14​

(for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;

15​

in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them);
 
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kyredneck said:
Doesn't sound like 'believers only' to me:

Romans Chapter 2

5​

but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6​

who will render to every man according to his works:

7​

to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:

8​

but unto them that are factious, and obey not the truth, but obey unrighteousness, shall be wrath and indignation,

9​

tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that worketh evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek;

10​

but glory and honor and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek:

11​

for there is no respect of persons with God.

12​

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;

13​

for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:

14​

(for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;

15​

in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them);
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Go back and look. The verse was in 2 Corinthians, not Romans. The Romans passage was about the Great White Throne Judgment, not the Judgment Seat of Christ.

P. S. Thanks for the passage. It basically proves my point: " the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;" That describes Hell.
 
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kyredneck said:
'Saved' from what? Eternity in torment?
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Very sadly, yes. If you have not heard it said, it is absolutely true that Jesus talked more about Hell than Heaven. His word for Hell was Gehenna. That was a word for the permanently burning dump outside of Jerusalem where the garbage and the dead bodies of poor people were flung. Here is the lexical entry from the Friberg Lexicon: "Gehenna; literally valley of Hinnom, a ravine south of Jerusalem where fires were kept burning to consume the dead bodies of animals, criminals, and refuse; figuratively in the Gospels and James for hell, a fiery place of eternal punishment for the ungodly dead (MT 5.22)."

Here are the verses where He used that term:

Mt 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mt 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mt 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mt 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Mt 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mt 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mr 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mr 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mr 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Lu 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Note Mark 9:33. The fires of Hell are "never quenched" according to Jesus. I have no idea how He would use a metaphor for the eternal Hell if not like this. Now if eternal Hell is not real, then why warn against it? Jesus could have said, "Well, you'll suffer a little while after death, but don't worry, it's not for long." Or, "Don't worry, everyone gets saved in the end." Or something like that.

But you haven't yet said what your alternative is: annihilationism, a short Hell, universalism? What is your alternative to an eternal Hell?
 
atpollard

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kyredneck said:
They're made alive, born from above, born of God, born of the Spirit BEFORE conversion, so that they can hear, see, receive, believe and be 'saved' into His kingdom from their vain manner of life.

Sheesh, 'regeneration before faith' used to be a 'Calvinist' staple. You didn't get the memo?
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It may be a staple, and I am not as sharp as I once was, but I am having trouble wrapping my head around the “before conversion” part of that. So “before conversion” = “still unsaved”, right? (I mean you specifically list “hear, see, receive, believe and be 'saved'” as coming after “conversion”).

So how exactly does it work for a person to be “made alive, born from above, born of God, born of the Spirit” and “still unsaved” at the same time (right before conversion)? That sounds a lot like a “married bachelor” to me (something that is impossible because it is self-contradictory by definition).

Clearly God DRAWS and God MAKES ALIVE (while dead) and God OPENS HEARTS (like Lydia) all part of the GIFT and FAITH and GRACE by which we obtain SALVATION … but “born from above” before “conversion” seems a claim too far. Being BORN FROM ABOVE is “conversion”, it is being “saved”, it is the transformation from the old man to the new creation.

Didn’t you get the memo? ;)
 
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kyredneck said:
Doesn't sound like 'believers only' to me:
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Along that line, Hell is not for believers only. In fact, Jesus taught, "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matt. 25:41). If Hell was not created for humans, but for demons, how is it not eternal for humans? Is God going to let the demons out for good behavior after a few thousand years?
 
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John of Japan said:
Very sadly, yes. If you have not heard it said, it is absolutely true that Jesus talked more about Hell than Heaven.
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Just as a point of information (Myth Busted) ;)

Mentions of Heaven
Jesus spoke extensively about Heaven and the "Kingdom of God," using the concept to describe God's presence, eternal life, and His coming kingdom.
  • Kingdom of Heaven/God: The exact phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" appears over 30 times in the Gospel of Matthew alone, while the synonymous "Kingdom of God" appears over 50 times throughout Mark and Luke.
  • General Mentions: When including all direct references to heaven, eternal rewards, and the Father's house, Jesus referenced Heaven nearly 150 to 200 times in the Gospels.

Mentions of Hell
Jesus warned about Hell as a place of judgment, often using the Greek words Gehenna (a fiery valley outside Jerusalem used as a garbage dump) and Hades (the underworld or realm of the dead).
  • Direct Mentions: In the Gospels, Jesus directly referenced Gehenna (translated as "hell") roughly 11 to 12 times.
  • Indirect Mentions: If you include all parallel teachings, parables of judgment, and warnings about "eternal fire," Jesus mentioned the topic of Hell roughly 30 to 40 times throughout the New Testament.
 
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Here is what many mistake in their doctrine of eternal Heaven and Hell. When you go to Heaven you lose your sin nature. But other than that, you have the same soul you had on Earth. You are the same person. You do not suddenly have a different personality.

Hell is the same. When a lost, unregenerate sinner who hates God and wants no part of Jesus, or is simply ignorant and doesn't want to know (I have met many like this), he doesn't suddenly change when he gets to Hell and want to become born again, and loving Jesus. The rich man in Hell did not change. He had the same concern for his brothers in Hell that he did while alive. He did not say, "Let me believe and get saved," but (paraphrased), "Send Lazarus, the dumb beggar, to me so he can serve me."
 
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John of Japan said:
Very sadly, yes. If you have not heard it said, it is absolutely true that Jesus talked more about Hell than Heaven. His word for Hell was Gehenna. That was a word for the permanently burning dump outside of Jerusalem where the garbage and the dead bodies of poor people were flung. Here is the lexical entry from the Friberg Lexicon: "Gehenna; literally valley of Hinnom, a ravine south of Jerusalem where fires were kept burning to consume the dead bodies of animals, criminals, and refuse; figuratively in the Gospels and James for hell, a fiery place of eternal punishment for the ungodly dead (MT 5.22)."

Here are the verses where He used that term:

Mt 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mt 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mt 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mt 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Mt 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mt 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mr 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mr 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mr 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Lu 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Note Mark 9:33. The fires of Hell are "never quenched" according to Jesus. I have no idea how He would use a metaphor for the eternal Hell if not like this. Now if eternal Hell is not real, then why warn against it? Jesus could have said, "Well, you'll suffer a little while after death, but don't worry, it's not for long." Or, "Don't worry, everyone gets saved in the end." Or something like that.

But you haven't yet said what your alternative is: annihilationism, a short Hell, universalism? What is your alternative to an eternal Hell?
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I hate to differ with you, but may I gently explain that Jesus did not speak of hell more than He spoke of heaven. This is a common, unexamined phrase that nearly every pastor and Bible teacher repeats, but it is wrong.

According to Strong’s Concordance, there are 104 verses associated with Jesus and the word “heaven”, but only 28 verses associated with Jesus and the word “hell”.

We should expect that Jesus would talk a lot more about Heaven, because He lived there and He was proclaiming the kingdom of heaven in His ministry. But it is correct to claim that Jesus explained hell more than anyone else ever had.
 
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atpollard said:
Just as a point of information (Myth Busted) ;)
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It's not a myth to me. I did my own study on the subject.
atpollard said:
Mentions of Heaven
Jesus spoke extensively about Heaven and the "Kingdom of God," using the concept to describe God's presence, eternal life, and His coming kingdom.
  • Kingdom of Heaven/God: The exact phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" appears over 30 times in the Gospel of Matthew alone, while the synonymous "Kingdom of God" appears over 50 times throughout Mark and Luke.
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That phrase in Matthew is simply the Matthaen version of "Kingdom of God," designed to help the Jews understand "Kingdom of God." It rarely if ever actually refers to Heaven in Matthew.
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  • General Mentions: When including all direct references to heaven, eternal rewards, and the Father's house, Jesus referenced Heaven nearly 150 to 200 times in the Gospels.
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Not exactly fair to throw in "General Mentions." Can I throw in phrases like "judgment" on the other side?
atpollard said:
Mentions of Hell
Jesus warned about Hell as a place of judgment, often using the Greek words Gehenna (a fiery valley outside Jerusalem used as a garbage dump) and Hades (the underworld or realm of the dead).
  • Direct Mentions: In the Gospels, Jesus directly referenced Gehenna (translated as "hell") roughly 11 to 12 times.
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Exactly 11. Look at Post 73.
atpollard said:
  • Indirect Mentions: If you include all parallel teachings, parables of judgment, and warnings about "eternal fire," Jesus mentioned the topic of Hell roughly 30 to 40 times throughout the New Testament.
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That's not how the study works, at least not when I did it. You've added all sorts of vagueness to the Lord's speaking on both Heaven and Hell.

Anyway, this is a rabbit trail, not the main subject. :)
 
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atpollard said:
Just as a point of information (Myth Busted) ;)

Mentions of Heaven
Jesus spoke extensively about Heaven and the "Kingdom of God," using the concept to describe God's presence, eternal life, and His coming kingdom.
  • Kingdom of Heaven/God: The exact phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" appears over 30 times in the Gospel of Matthew alone, while the synonymous "Kingdom of God" appears over 50 times throughout Mark and Luke.
  • General Mentions: When including all direct references to heaven, eternal rewards, and the Father's house, Jesus referenced Heaven nearly 150 to 200 times in the Gospels.

Mentions of Hell
Jesus warned about Hell as a place of judgment, often using the Greek words Gehenna (a fiery valley outside Jerusalem used as a garbage dump) and Hades (the underworld or realm of the dead).
  • Direct Mentions: In the Gospels, Jesus directly referenced Gehenna (translated as "hell") roughly 11 to 12 times.
  • Indirect Mentions: If you include all parallel teachings, parables of judgment, and warnings about "eternal fire," Jesus mentioned the topic of Hell roughly 30 to 40 times throughout the New Testament.
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You are the only Christian I have ever known who questioned that phrase “Jesus spoke about hell more than He spoke about heaven”!

Our numbers differ, but the result is the same.

According to Strong’s Concordance, there are 104 verses associated with Jesus and the word “heaven”, but only 28 verses associated with Jesus and the word “hell”.
 
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