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What Should Christians Believe about the Causes of Demon Possession?

What Should Christians Believe about the Causes of Demon Possession?

  • We cannot know anything about the causes.

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  • We can know some things about the causes, but we cannot be sure about those things being causes.

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  • We can be certain that certain things have caused demon possession.

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Scripture More Accurately

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The NT indisputably and emphatically reveals the reality of demon possession. Concerning those people who were demon possessed, one of two things had to have been true: (1) They were born demon possessed or (2) they became demon possessed at some later point in their lives.

The NT does not seem to provide any definitive information to establish that any people were born demon possessed. Taking that they were possessed at some later point in their lives, what caused them to become possessed?
 
Ben1445

Ben1445

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Scripture More Accurately said:
The NT indisputably and emphatically reveals the reality of demon possession. Concerning those people who were demon possessed, one of two things had to have been true: (1) They were born demon possessed or (2) they became demon possessed at some later point in their lives.

The NT does not seem to provide any definitive information to establish that any people were born demon possessed. Taking that they were possessed at some later point in their lives, what caused them to become possessed?
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Vacancy, though not the cause is certainly a concern.
I gather that there will definitely be some kind of permission granted by the individual for a devil.

Mark 9:23
And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.

Though it is unclear what age the child was, it is certain that he was not born this way.


But vacancy is a real problem.
Matthew 12:44
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

Anyone not filled with the Spirit of Christ is in danger of being filled with something else.


Not all places are welcoming to devils.
Matthew 12:43
-- When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
 
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Scripture More Accurately

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Ben1445 said:
Vacancy, though not the cause is certainly a concern.
I gather that there will definitely be some kind of permission granted by the individual for a devil.

Mark 9:23
And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.

Though it is unclear what age the child was, it is certain that he was not born this way.


But vacancy is a real problem.
Matthew 12:44
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

Anyone not filled with the Spirit of Christ is in danger of being filled with something else.


Not all places are welcoming to devils.
Matthew 12:43
-- When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
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Why do you think that "some kind of permission granted by the individual for a devil" was something that definitely was so? Any passages come to mind to support that view?

Vacancy of the sort that you are talking about is true for all unbelievers, but we only see a subset of them who were possessed.

Matt. 12:43 is certainly interesting in that it speaks of demons seeking rest and not finding it in dry places.
 
JonC

JonC

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Scripture More Accurately said:
Concerning those people who were demon possessed, one of two things had to have been true: (1) They were born demon possessed or (2) they became demon possessed at some later point in their lives.
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I do not know of an instance where somebody was born demon possessed. But sometime during their life - even during their youth (Mark 9:21-24) they were possessed.

The "how" is a good question. I believe it is by invitation (although typically ignorant of what is being invited). When people invite sin in their lives they are inviting possession.
 
Ascetic X

Ascetic X

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How people get saved is a better, more edifying question than how do they get possessed.

But there are many occult resources that explain how to summon demons and give them access to the mind and body,
 
Ben1445

Ben1445

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Scripture More Accurately said:
Why do you think that "some kind of permission granted by the individual for a devil" was something that definitely was so? Any passages come to mind to support that view?

Vacancy of the sort that you are talking about is true for all unbelievers, but we only see a subset of them who were possessed.

Matt. 12:43 is certainly interesting in that it speaks of demons seeking rest and not finding it in dry places.
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I would say that Mt. 12 would support that view. I don’t suppose that the unclean spirit is just traveling the Sahara Desert and not finding anyone.

Job was given over to Satan to afflict and was barred only from taking his life. We do not see Job becoming possessed. I recognize that Job wouldn’t be considered the unsaved.

But this world is given to the authority of men. I don’t see any reason to believe that we may be taken into bondage of sin but by our own will.

Luke 22:31-32
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
 
Ascetic X

Ascetic X

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Scripture More Accurately said:
The NT indisputably and emphatically reveals the reality of demon possession. Concerning those people who were demon possessed, one of two things had to have been true: (1) They were born demon possessed or (2) they became demon possessed at some later point in their lives.

The NT does not seem to provide any definitive information to establish that any people were born demon possessed. Taking that they were possessed at some later point in their lives, what caused them to become possessed?
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I am seeing a pattern to your posts.

You seem to be obsessed with devilish music, demonic drums made by cannibals, and now how people get possessed.

This fixation on darkness does not seem to be healthy or edifying.
 
Ben1445

Ben1445

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Ascetic X said:
I am seeing a pattern to your posts.

You seem to be obsessed with devilish music, demonic drums made by cannibals, and now how people get possessed.

This fixation on darkness does not seem to be healthy or edifying.
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I would second that opinion in a cautionary manner.

Romans 16:19
For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
 
Aaron

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Flirting with the occult is the most common way to open the door. It doesn't matter whether one is a Christian or not. One can be tormented and troubled by demons even if not possessed by them.

But the world is a different place than it was before the Cross. Demonic activity today by comparison is a sideshow curiosity, though still horrifying to those who are troubled by them. We don't see "many possessed with devils" being brought to the churches to be cast out, and they don't appear to be on every street corner as they were when the Seventy were sent out two by two. We don't have sorcerers turning their rods into serpents or mimicking plagues, or otherwise deceiving the nations into thinking that their gods were the most high gods.

But the day is coming, and might be at the door, when that kind of manifestation will be spectacular, and the Man of Sin comes whose working will be of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2 Thessalonians 2:9.
 
Aaron

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Ascetic X said:
I am seeing a pattern to your posts.

You seem to be obsessed with devilish music, demonic drums made by cannibals, and now how people get possessed.

This fixation on darkness does not seem to be healthy or edifying.
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He might be trying to build the case for certain kinds of music being a cause, since David playing on his harp seemed to calm Saul down when he was possessed.
 
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Scripture More Accurately

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Ben1445 said:
I would say that Mt. 12 would support that view. I don’t suppose that the unclean spirit is just traveling the Sahara Desert and not finding anyone.

Job was given over to Satan to afflict and was barred only from taking his life. We do not see Job becoming possessed. I recognize that Job wouldn’t be considered the unsaved.

But this world is given to the authority of men. I don’t see any reason to believe that we may be taken into bondage of sin but by our own will.

Luke 22:31-32
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
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Can you explain further how Mt. 12 supports that view because I am not following you at all.

As far as I can tell from Scripture, this world is not currently given to the authority of men.

Satan is the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4). The whole world lies in him--that is, in his power (1 John 5:19). He takes sinful unbelievers captive at his will---not theirs (2 Tim. 2:25-26).
 
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Scripture More Accurately

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Ben1445 said:
I would second that opinion in a cautionary manner.

Romans 16:19
For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
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I am sorry that you agree with Ascetic X on this point. Sound demonology is a vitally important doctrine about which many believers need much more careful instruction.
 
Ascetic X

Ascetic X

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Aaron said:
But the world is a different place than it was before the Cross. Demonic activity today by comparison is a sideshow curiosity, though still horrifying to those who are troubled by them. We don't see "many possessed with devils" being brought to the churches to be cast out, and they don't appear to be on every street corner as they were when the Seventy were sent out two by two. We don't have sorcerers turning their rods into serpents or mimicking plagues, or otherwise deceiving the nations into thinking that their gods were the most high gods.
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I do not want to go down this rabbit hole, but the Epstein files and victim testimony prove that demonic activity is more than just a “sideshow curiosity” these days.

Demonic activity is seen in more than turning rods into serpents. It is seen in homicides, gambling compulsions, sex trafficking, fentanyl addiction, transgenderism, gay agenda, AI chatbot romantic attachments, and many other practices.
 
Ascetic X

Ascetic X

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Scripture More Accurately said:
I am sorry that you agree with Ascetic X on this point. Sound demonology is a vitally important doctrine about which many believers need much more careful instruction.
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But demons, demonic music, demon drums made by cannibals, is all you post about. Your obsession with demonology is not normal or beneficial for a Christian believer. How many demons have you cast out? Or do you just think about demons a lot?

The Bible commands us to focus on what is holy and positive, not what is evil and darkness.


Romans 16:19

For your obedience has become known abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf; but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.



Philippians 4:8

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report, if there be any virtue and if there be any praise, think on these things.
 
JonC

JonC

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Ben1445 said:
I would second that opinion in a cautionary manner.

Romans 16:19
For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
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Agree. We do not have to worry that stuff if our mind is set on Christ.

Runners cross the finish line not by looking at the detractors but by keeping their eyes on the prize.
 
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Scripture More Accurately

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Ascetic X said:
But demons, demonic music, demon drums made by cannibals, is all you post about. Your obsession with demonology is not normal or beneficial for a Christian believer. How many demons have you cast out? Or do you just think about demons a lot?

The Bible commands us to focus on what is holy and positive, not what is evil and darkness.


Romans 16:19

For your obedience has become known abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf; but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.



Philippians 4:8

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report, if there be any virtue and if there be any praise, think on these things.
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Wrong. I do not have an obsession with demonology. You, on the other hand, seem to be focused on interposing yourself in my discussions with comments that are not germane to the topic of discussion.

Furthermore, studying in depth what God has revealed in His Word about demonology is not contrary to what Romans 16:19 and Philippians 4:8 teach. God has given us all Scripture---including everything that the Bible reveals about demonology---to profit us for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness . . . (2 Tim. 3:16-17).

If you do not have anything of value to add to the subject of this thread, you should comment and participate in other threads where you have things of value to share that are directly in keeping with the subject of the thread.
 
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