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The Generation of Jesus Christ - What It Means

That was not my point. My point is that all the OT prophecies were not fulfilled at the first coming of Jesus Christ. I quoted Jesus saying in Luke 24 that his purpose for coning is to fulfill all (with the emphasis on all) those OT prophecies and a great number of them concerned fulfilling the Abrahamic Covenant, the Davidic covenant and the Palestinian (land) covenant. De 30. According to how I interpret these scriptures concerning this generation, which is literally, God is working out the plans for his rule over the earth through this generation cycle of the Jewish nation.

Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Time is a most important element when discerning truth.

What we call the NT scriptures has much in them about the prophecies of the OT scriptures and Jesus ruling of earth but the OT scriptures has nothing spoken plainly about the church of Jesus Christ. These truths are new revelations and new and separate truths concerning an age that is missing from the OT, an age we call the church age and the Bible calls the dispensation of the grace of God. The church and their particular promises are call the "mysteries of God" and require revelation from God to understand them. The natural man cannot understand them we are told in 1 Corinthians 2. 13-14. Because of their stubborn rejection of their King, Jesus Christ, concerning his kingdom, he has graciously received the few believers in his person, the son of God, on a one on one "family" basis rather than a national basis, along with every gentile on the planet. This would in no way cancel any one of his unconditional covenants he has made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and David. All those prophecies that lack fulfillment will be fulfilled exactly as they are given.

The death of the generation charged to receive the kingdom of God by receiving Jesus Christ took place in the 12th chapter of Matthew when the rulers on behalf of the nation committed the unpardonable sin. They, would die before the kingdom as those who refused to go into the rest of God under Moses, (see He 3). The Hebrews in Asia Minor, the strangers and pilgrims, would have secured the kingdom except for the interference of the Judaizers who persuaded them to return to the law of Moses as the means of their salvation. The nation lost it's identity with a national dispersion., the temple destroyed, and the people of God, Israel, were as gentiles and will be until the church is removed by the gathering of the church into heaven, a mystery not understood by a strict intellectual approach to the scriptures.

God interrupted his generation with death when time does not pass until he brings it back to life, first physically and then spiritually.


Ps 115:15 Ye are blessed of the Lord which made heaven and earth.
16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
18 But we will bless the Lord from this time forth and for evermore. Praise the Lord.
Brother, the entire argument depends on Matthew 1:1 referring to a 70‑year time span, but the word there is not genea, the word for a generation of people. It is genesis, the word for origin, lineage, or genealogy. Matthew is introducing the ancestry of Christ, not a prophetic window. Once that is clear, the idea of a 70‑year “generation of Jesus Christ” being under scrutiny in the New Testament cannot be sustained. Scripture uses the word generation in several different ways, but Matthew 1:1 is not about a time period at all. It is simply the record of His lineage.
 

JD731

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Brother, the entire argument depends on Matthew 1:1 referring to a 70‑year time span, but the word there is not genea, the word for a generation of people. It is genesis, the word for origin, lineage, or genealogy. Matthew is introducing the ancestry of Christ, not a prophetic window. Once that is clear, the idea of a 70‑year “generation of Jesus Christ” being under scrutiny in the New Testament cannot be sustained. Scripture uses the word generation in several different ways, but Matthew 1:1 is not about a time period at all. It is simply the record of His lineage.
Noted. Thanks.
 

JD731

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Ok, does your Bible say “generation” or “genealogy”? Knowing context determines meaning, it seems clear the context of Matthew 1 is a genealogy, or do you disagree?

Peace to you
The book of Matthew is the book of the King. It has for it's emphasis to present Jesus as having the right credentials to be the Messiah of Israel, which includes being a son of Abraham and a son of David. Matthew makes this a matter of written record of an apostle in 65 AD about the same time Israel was getting four warnings in a letter to the Hebrews not to fall away and the penalty for that generation if they do. (it would be impossible to renew them again to repentance)

So, you can see this as a genealogical record because one can learn that in a classroom about Matthew 1 but as far as having a spiritual quality that relates to a generation, if there is one, it is obvious you have missed it. There are types and similitudes in the scriptures. One must keep that in mind.

Ho 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.
 
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JD731

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The number 40 is the number in the scriptures for "probation." This would be easy to prove if I wanted to give examples from the many places it is used that way, I am not going to here but I am going to note an instance in our context where there is a connection to this generation and it will be a total of the same 70 years that Jesus Christ was a prophet in Israel It is in parabolic form and recorded by Luke near the end of the ministry of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion.

Luke:13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree (metaphor for nation of Israel) planted in his vineyard (Judah); and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years (time of ministry of Jesus) I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
(a request for probation)
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Jesus was rejected in 30 AD . Forty years later after the biblical probation time it, the fig tree, was removed by the Romans in AD 70. I am sure if Israel would have repented all the remainder of the OT prophecies concerning Jesus Christ would have been fulfilled which would have included his sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem.

This generation did not repent. It perished under the Romans.
 
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The number 40 is the number in the scriptures for "probation." This would be easy to prove if I wanted to give examples from the many places it is used that way, I am not going to here but I am going to note an instance in our context where there is a connection to this generation and it will be a total of the same 70 years that Jesus Christ was a prophet in Israel It is in parabolic form and recorded by Luke near the end of the ministry of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion.

Luke:13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree (metaphor for nation of Israel) planted in his vineyard (Judah); and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years (time of ministry of Jesus) I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
(a request for probation)
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Jesus was rejected in 30 AD . Forty years later after the biblical probation time it, the fig tree, was removed by the Romans in AD 70. I am sure if Israel would have repented all the remainder of the OT prophecies concerning Jesus Christ would have been fulfilled which would have included his sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem.

This generation did not repent. It perished under the Romans.
Brother, the number 40 appears often in Scripture, but the Bible never defines it as a prophetic law or a measure of a generation. Luke 13 is a parable about Israel’s need to repent during Jesus’ ministry, not a coded timeline leading to AD 70. The New Testament never defines “this generation” as 70 years, and Psalm 90:10 is about the normal span of human life, not prophecy. When we treat parables as countdown clocks and patterns as doctrines, we end up building systems the text itself does not support.
 

canadyjd

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So, you can see this as a genealogical record because one can learn that in a classroom about Matthew 1
Or, as I did, simply read the passage, and see the context as presenting a genealogy of Jesus Christ. Classroom not needed.

However, to pour dispensationalism into the passage, you need to be convinced everything points to dispensationalism and then read that into every passsge.
but as far as having a spiritual quality that relates to a generation, if there is one, it is obvious you have missed it.
Because the context does not support it.
There are types and similitudes in the scriptures. One must keep that in mind.
You see types and similitudes in Matthew 1, where there is none, and ignore the types and similitudes in Revelation taking it as literal, when it is full of types and metaphors.
Ho 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.
Ok, but that doesn’t apply to Matthew 1 because the context doesn’t support it.

I do understand you are convinced in your own mind, and that is just fine.

I don’t want us to just talk past each other so I’ll bow out and leave you to your thread.

Peace to you
 
Or, as I did, simply read the passage, and see the context as presenting a genealogy of Jesus Christ. Classroom not needed.

However, to pour dispensationalism into the passage, you need to be convinced everything points to dispensationalism and then read that into every passsge.

Because the context does not support it.

You see types and similitudes in Matthew 1, where there is none, and ignore the types and similitudes in Revelation taking it as literal, when it is full of types and metaphors.

Ok, but that doesn’t apply to Matthew 1 because the context doesn’t support it.

I do understand you are convinced in your own mind, and that is just fine.

I don’t want us to just talk past each other so I’ll bow out and leave you to your thread.

Peace to you
CanadyJD, that was a clear and well‑reasoned reply. You stayed with the context of the passage and handled the discussion with a steady tone. I appreciated the balance and the way you kept the focus on what the text actually says. Well done.
 
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