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Trump all out war against Iran guarantees defeat of America

atpollard

atpollard

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Could we define “all out war”?
I mean, if we are talking about total, unrestricted, fight for survival warfare (like WW2), then I think a full scale U.S. Nuclear Strike on Iran would be very effective … but unimaginably remote of a possibility. So why are we even discussing it?

Since anything less really is NOT “all out war” … then what the heck do you think is going to happen that will lead to the destruction of the United States? What are the serious ODDS of that scenario.

I am a gambling man. I will bet a dollar and offer 10:1 odds that the US is still here in 180 days. Who is willing to send me a dime in 180 days if the “doomsday” does not come to pass or be sent $1 if the US is destroyed in the next 180 days? [I need to know how many Canadian dollars to stockpile so I can pay my debt if the US economy collapses with the destruction of the country.]
 
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Conan

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atpollard said:
Could we define “all out war”?
I mean, if we are talking about total, unrestricted, fight for survival warfare (like WW2), then I think a full scale U.S. Nuclear Strike on Iran would be very effective … but unimaginably remote of a possibility. So why are we even discussing it?

Since anything less really is NOT “all out war” … then what the heck do you think is going to happen that will lead to the destruction of the United States? What are the serious ODDS of that scenario.

I am a gambling man. I will bet a dollar and offer 10:1 odds that the US is still here in 180 days. Who is willing to send me a dime in 180 days if the “doomsday” does not come to pass or be sent $1 if the US is destroyed in the next 180 days? [I need to know how many Canadian dollars to stockpile so I can pay my debt if the US economy collapses with the destruction of the country.]
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The video is a good one posted in reality. I wish everyone in America could watch it. You will never hear this on FOX, CNN BBC......
 
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Conan

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xlsdraw said:
You and your sources are sick.
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My apologies for my first response . Had I realized you did not watch the video I should have just suggested that you watch it. Don't just read headlines. Listen to someone far smarter than you or I. Someone that has fought leading me in Iraq and Afghanistan. A man brave enough to stand up to General Patraus for lying to the American Public (what's new?).
 
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Conan

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Ascetic X said:
Daniel Davis Deep Dive is anti-Israel, like so many people today. I could not keep watching the video.
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Israel is not God. Asking for fairness is not being anti Israel. Asking for the murders to stop is not being anti Israel. In fact allowing Israel to get away with its crimes could be anti Israel.
 
Ascetic X

Ascetic X

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Conan said:
Israel is not God. Asking for fairness is not being anti Israel. Asking for the murders to stop is not being anti Israel. In fact allowing Israel to get away with its crimes could be anti Israel.
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Why let Hamas and Hezbollah get away with their murders and crimes?


Genesis 12:3

And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.


Psalm 122:6

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
 
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Foxmeister

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This war was started on lies and it has been mismanaged from the very beginning. He overestimated Iran's resolve and it's alliance with China. Did Trump think China wouldn't involve itself in some capacity to support the country who provides the with 45% of its oil? Trump as a candidate in 2024 blasted Biden for providing Ukraine billions of dollars and our arsenal of weapons. He said that would stop with him as president. What does he do? He continues that gravy train and now look at our munitions reserves. He's weakened our overall defense.
 
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xlsdraw

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Just for a moment, try not to think about flesh versus flesh. And think about Satan versus God.

China versus Taiwan is flesh versus flesh.
China versus India is flesh versus flesh.
Russia versus Ukraine is flesh versus flesh.
Turkey versus Greece and Cyprus is flesh versus flesh.
Russia versus Europe is flesh versus flesh.
Ect, ect, ect..........

What makes Israel a target?
What makes the Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 war different?

Consider all that Satan used nations, men, and even women to do to try to prevent the prophesied birth of Jesus Christ. Satan failed to prevent the fulfillment of Christ's birth, ministry, death, resurrection, and ascension.

So if you're Satan, what do you do? You try to stop the gospel and extinguish the church. Once again, Satan failed.

Keep in mind now, that if Satan could ever foil one single prophecy, he could call God unfaithful and a liar.

So after failing to stop the gospel and extinguish the church, what's left? How else could he try to foil God's prophecies and prove God unfaithful and a liar?
The prophesied restoration, replanting, and redemption of Israel.

As the prophesied falling away accelerates, and the Church Age approaches it's end, the target is, and has become, Israel. Satan must try to genocide Israel to foil God's prophecies of God's restoration, replanting, and redemption of Israel.

Once Satan fails this endeavor, the Lord Jesus Christ will have his Millennial Reign, whilst Satan is bound.

Jesus will rule and reign from Jerusalem, and the Jews/Israel shall serve him in their flesh. The Church will serve the Lord in glorified bodies.
 
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Foxmeister

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xlsdraw said:
Just for a moment, try not to think about flesh versus flesh. And think about Satan versus God.

China versus Taiwan is flesh versus flesh.
China versus India is flesh versus flesh.
Russia versus Ukraine is flesh versus flesh.
Turkey versus Greece and Cyprus is flesh versus flesh.
Russia versus Europe is flesh versus flesh.
Ect, ect, ect..........

What makes Israel a target?
What makes the Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 war different?

Consider all that Satan used nations, men, and even women to do to try to prevent the prophesied birth of Jesus Christ. Satan failed to prevent the fulfillment of Christ's birth, ministry, death, resurrection, and ascension.

So if you're Satan, what do you do? You try to stop the gospel and extinguish the church. Once again, Satan failed.

Keep in mind now, that if Satan could ever foil one single prophecy, he could call God unfaithful and a liar.

So after failing to stop the gospel and extinguish the church, what's left? How else could he try to foil God's prophecies and prove God unfaithful and a liar?
The prophesied restoration, replanting, and redemption of Israel.

As the prophesied falling away accelerates, and the Church Age approaches it's end, the target is, and has become, Israel. Satan must try to genocide Israel to foil God's prophecies of God's restoration, replanting, and redemption of Israel.

Once Satan fails this endeavor, the Lord Jesus Christ will have his Millennial Reign, whilst Satan is bound.

Jesus will rule and reign from Jerusalem, and the Jews/Israel shall serve him in their flesh. The Church will serve the Lord in glorified bodies.
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If Trump accomplishes his goal of getting all the nations in that region to sign a peace accord, what happens next? Is this what the war with Iran is really about? Think about it. If the current Iranian regime is removed from power and the crown prince is inserted as the head of their new government, he will most likely agree to sign and most likely the others will follow suit.
 
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xlsdraw

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Foxmeister said:
If Trump accomplishes his goal of getting all the nations in that region to sign a peace accord, what happens next? Is this what the war with Iran is really about? Think about it. If the current Iranian regime is removed from power and the crown prince is inserted as the head of their new government, he will most likely agree to sign and most likely the others will follow suit.
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President Trump doesn't have the spiritual discernment to grasp that this is a spiritual war. He, like you, are focused on human solutions. There are no human solutions. There is only God's solution.

Islam is the obstacle that must be removed for the Third Temple to be built on the Temple Mount. Only God can remove the obstacle of Islam.

And as you are seeing in American politics, the Atheistic Marxism, Communism, and Socialism are allied with Islam.

Atheism and Islam, both Satanic, are allied in the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations. Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Turkey, ect........

The Tribulation Period will not be either Islamic nor Atheistic. The Third Temple will be built, and the world will follow after the Antichrist who desires, and at the midpoint, demands, to be worshipped.

The ideologies of Islam shall be vanquished when God destroys the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations. Not the IDF, not the USA, but God.

President Trump, having not spiritual discernment, cannot see the intentions/heart of the leaders of the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations. Hence, he is being influenced by them trying to appease both Israel and Israel's enemies.

Fortunately, there are some current Islamic nations, that are already striving to escape the militancy of Islam. But they shall not be totally escaped from it until God destroys the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations.

Make no mistake, the Islamist and Atheist Gog-Magog Alliance of nations shall come forth to the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations war in the pride and confidence of their Satanic ideologies.

Isaiah chapter 40 reminds us not to dwell upon the intentions and capabilities of men, but to always focus on the intentions, capabilities, and promises of God.
 
kyredneck

kyredneck

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xlsdraw said:
The Tribulation Period will not be either Islamic nor Atheistic. The Third Temple will be built, and the world will follow after the Antichrist who desires, and at the midpoint, demands, to be worshipped.

The ideologies of Islam shall be vanquished when God destroys the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations. Not the IDF, not the USA, but God.

President Trump, having not spiritual discernment, cannot see the intentions/heart of the leaders of the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations. Hence, he is being influenced by them trying to appease both Israel and Israel's enemies.

Fortunately, there are some current Islamic nations, that are already striving to escape the militancy of Islam. But they shall not be totally escaped from it until God destroys the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations.

Make no mistake, the Islamist and Atheist Gog-Magog Alliance of nations shall come forth to the Gog-Magog Alliance of nations war in the pride and confidence of their Satanic ideologies.

Isaiah chapter 40 reminds us not to dwell upon the intentions and capabilities of men, but to always focus on the intentions, capabilities, and promises of God.
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...all of you Dispies want to be 'modern day prophets', all the while having no idea how incredibly wrong your interpretations are.
 
JonC

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Conan

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JonC said:
I disagree that it means the defeat of America (although I also do not believe this is a conflict that can be won).
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No doubt you are right, but he means causing inflation, recession, higher gas prices for America. But he also means ejection from the Gulf. They have destroyed many of our bases. And none will be allowed in the Persian Gulf countries. We kept killing their leadership and bombing again and again. They said we do it again they will go all out and they have done so. Trump lies about what's really happening in the war. It should have never happened, as Charlie Kirk tried to tell Trump before he was killed.
 
JonC

JonC

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Conan said:
No doubt you are right, but he means causing inflation, recession, higher gas prices for America. But he also means ejection from the Gulf. They have destroyed many of our bases. And none will be allowed in the Persian Gulf countries. We kept killing their leadership and bombing again and again. They said we do it again they will go all out and they have done so. Trump lies about what's really happening in the war. It should have never happened, as Charlie Kirk tried to tell Trump before he was killed.
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I doubt Iran will be able to keep the US out of Persian Gulf countries. If anything the current conflict has weakened Iran with those nations. What could occur is more countries leaving OPEC.

I also doubt the conflict will lead to recession in the US. Short-term inflation, probably. Higher gas prices, probably. While the US is a net exporter of oil, oil is traded on a global market. US sectors benefit, but overall all economies suffer.

The problem with Iran is terrorists have held the country (taken with US assistance) for decades. There is no solution as the terrorists existed even before they controlled Iran.

But there is a great benefit that can come out of this conflict. If Gulf nations build their infrastructure to bypass the streight they would effectively remove Iran's influence.
 
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Mike B

New Member
Speaking only for myself, when I try to sort out all of the different opinions and the various
angles from which people are analyzing the Iran/US conflict, it all tends to fold into a big,
confusing mess.

I'm afraid I'll have to leave this one for God to sort out (Rom. 8:28), and instead just keep
sharing the gospel.
 
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