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What is the purpose of Deacons:

Salty

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On another thread, it was mentioned "Our elders and deacons are typically appointed to handle administrative, financial, and pastoral care needs.'

So exactly what is the purpose of deacons?

In Baptist churches, Deacons have often be the leaders of the church.
Is that the Scriptural role for churches?

Open for discussion

BONUS QUESTION
I was in a church business meeting once, when the agenda called for us to vote on a deacon.
BUT the pastor stated - that our constitution did not call for deacons. - so the that agenda was passed over.
 

Jerome

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Charles Spurgeon of Metropolitan Taberncale Baptist Church called Mrs. Lavinia Bartlett his best deacon. Her ministry as described in The Sword and the Trowel :

"Mrs. Bartlett is a remarkable woman. Converted with her whole heart to God before arriving at her teens, she early manifested an irrepressible desire to seek the soul-good of others. While engaged at twelve years of age as a Sabbath-school teacher, her infantile exertions were marvellously seconded by God. She was a spiritual mother even then; and many souls were brought by her to the Saviour. . . . .stimulated by her success in the school, [she] sought to enlarge her sphere of usefulness by journeying from village to village within easy distance of her parents' residence, where she might seek the salvation of neverdying souls. It was tough work to exhort burly farmers and their still more boisterous sons to seek an emancipation from the tyranny of Satan; but is anything too difficult for even a timid damsel, filled with the sufficiency of Jesus Christ?"

"Mr. Thomas Olney, the venerable treasurer of the Church, invited Mrs. Bartlett to conduct the Bible class....it has increased its numbers, until the average attendance has now become seven hundred, which sometimes swells to an additional hundred or so."

"On a recent visit to the class, it seemed to me that there was an undefined something in the prayer alone which robbed one of that calmness of mind so requisite in joining in a public supplication, but filled the soul at the same time with a holy exhilaration and devout expectation which fully compensated for loss of calm. It was a simple, tender, earnest, powerful and prevailing address to a real present Father. If woman can thus approach the Lord in supplication, how much do we not lose, my male friends, by not occasionally hearing her voice?"

"[Her teaching] was doctrinal—founded on the eternal verities of the great I AM. It was chiefly exhortative—recalling God's performances in bygone times of Christian experience, specifying the many sacred privileges of the present, painting bright pictures of coming joys and communions to be realised by faith in the far-stretched future. Better still—it was savoury, full of Jesus. Peculiarly tender and eloquent was her appeal to the unconverted. Convince a sinner of your real anxiety for his eternal welfare, and you have opened a channel in his heart for further communications. Few could resist admiring the exuberant and passionate utterances of this Bible-teacher."
 

Armchair Apologist

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On another thread, it was mentioned "Our elders and deacons are typically appointed to handle administrative, financial, and pastoral care needs.'

So exactly what is the purpose of deacons?

In Baptist churches, Deacons have often be the leaders of the church.
Is that the Scriptural role for churches?

Open for discussion

BONUS QUESTION
I was in a church business meeting once, when the agenda called for us to vote on a deacon.
BUT the pastor stated - that our constitution did not call for deacons. - so the that agenda was passed over.
The actual role of a deacon is loosely defined in the scriptures and for good reason as the needs differ from one congregation to another.

I believe that the deacons handle the practical aspects of the work of the ministry. The pastoral (elder) leadership decides they want to hold revival services and reach their community for Christ and the Deacons figure out how the parking lot will hold all the cars, where everyone is going to sit, and how other basic needs will be met in order for the gospel to have its preminence and the preaching of the word will have its intended effect. They may also serve as altar workers, ushers, or simply as someone who will be a "friend" and help a visitor to feel "connected" in some way. They will also influence and encourage the membership to follow their lead in such an endeavor and do likewise.

Another job of a deacon may be in the ministering to widows, single mothers, and fatherless children in the congregation and in the community and this is where the "Husband of one wife" stipulation is every bit as important to the deacon as it is to the pastor/elder. Deacons are often fathers to kids who do not have fathers of their own and so forth. I also believe that a deacon's wife is often partnering right along side her deacon husband and for practical purposes, are deacons as well - this is why the scriptures speak of the wives of a deacon but not the wives of the pastor/elder.

There is a problem among Baptist churches where they have may have deacons but not elders and in such instances, a deacon often defaults to the role of an elder in order to fill this vacuum. It is often the deacons who are the only ones providing any sense of stability in a congregation when there is a "revolving door" of pastors who are coming and going! I therefore believe in a plurality of elders who are chosen from the congregation and are pastoral in their scope. If such is not the case, this ought to be the first priority of a pastor to see that such men are trained and qualified. With biblical elders in place, deacons may focus their attention on being deacons and in such a context, I am not against women serving in a diaconate role although I would insist that a married woman not serve as a deacon while her husband does not. I believe there is a strong case for older, widowed women serving in such a role and it almost seems that those who are "Widows Indeed" and supported by the church often would (or even should) minister in such a capacity.
 

Kai

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To put it simply, deacons exist to help elders by taking on responsibilities that might distract them from their spiritual work. As I noted in the other thread, I'm not convinced there's a reason why handling finances and contributing to policy decisions couldn't be part of that support role—but I'm open to considering a different perspective if there is one.
 

Ascetic X

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A church constitution omits wording about deacons? Time to revise it.

Biblically, a deacon must be male, husbands of one wife.


I Timothy 3:8-13

8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.

11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.


Duties of deacons have been traditionally based on Acts 6:1-4


1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.

2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.

3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.

4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.


Deacons handle daily distribution, logistics, and physical assistance (historically "serving tables") to prevent community neglect. Deacons resolve practical disputes and care for vulnerable members (such as widows) to keep the church unified and prevent division.
 

Martin Marprelate

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Charles Spurgeon of Metropolitan Taberncale Baptist Church called Mrs. Lavinia Bartlett his best deacon. Her ministry as described in The Sword and the Trowel :

"Mrs. Bartlett is a remarkable woman. Converted with her whole heart to God before arriving at her teens, she early manifested an irrepressible desire to seek the soul-good of others. While engaged at twelve years of age as a Sabbath-school teacher, her infantile exertions were marvellously seconded by God. She was a spiritual mother even then; and many souls were brought by her to the Saviour. . . . .stimulated by her success in the school, [she] sought to enlarge her sphere of usefulness by journeying from village to village within easy distance of her parents' residence, where she might seek the salvation of neverdying souls. It was tough work to exhort burly farmers and their still more boisterous sons to seek an emancipation from the tyranny of Satan; but is anything too difficult for even a timid damsel, filled with the sufficiency of Jesus Christ?"

"Mr. Thomas Olney, the venerable treasurer of the Church, invited Mrs. Bartlett to conduct the Bible class....it has increased its numbers, until the average attendance has now become seven hundred, which sometimes swells to an additional hundred or so."

"On a recent visit to the class, it seemed to me that there was an undefined something in the prayer alone which robbed one of that calmness of mind so requisite in joining in a public supplication, but filled the soul at the same time with a holy exhilaration and devout expectation which fully compensated for loss of calm. It was a simple, tender, earnest, powerful and prevailing address to a real present Father. If woman can thus approach the Lord in supplication, how much do we not lose, my male friends, by not occasionally hearing her voice?"

"[Her teaching] was doctrinal—founded on the eternal verities of the great I AM. It was chiefly exhortative—recalling God's performances in bygone times of Christian experience, specifying the many sacred privileges of the present, painting bright pictures of coming joys and communions to be realised by faith in the far-stretched future. Better still—it was savoury, full of Jesus. Peculiarly tender and eloquent was her appeal to the unconverted. Convince a sinner of your real anxiety for his eternal welfare, and you have opened a channel in his heart for further communications. Few could resist admiring the exuberant and passionate utterances of this Bible-teacher."
Wonderful! Perhaps you will tell us how many times Spurgeon invited Mrs Bartlett to preach from his pulpit?
In his later years, Spurgeon suffered from much ill health and spent time convalescing in Menton, France. During these times he invited various people to fill the pulpit at the Met Tab. Perhaps you will tell us how many of them were women? No need to be precise; to the nearest half-dozen will do.
 

Jerome

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What an odd response!, Marprelate, to that wonderful account of Lavinia Bartlett's exemplary service to Metropolitan Tabernacle Baptist Church.
 

Kai

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Biblically, a deacon must be male, husbands of one wife.

I have a different understanding.

1 Timothy 3 tells us that deacons are to be men worthy of respect and the husband of one wife. However, verse 11 also says that their wives likewise must be dignified. The Greek word for "wives" (gynaikas) can also be translated as "women."

We also can't overlook that Paul describes Phoebe as a deacon in Romans 16:1. So I don't believe that the context establishes an absolute requirement that every deacon must be a male, but rather, it's addressing marital faithfulness and women who serve alongside them.
 

Jerome

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Charles Spurgeon of Metropolitan Taberncale Baptist Church called Mrs. Lavinia Bartlett his best deacon. Her ministry as described in The Sword and the Trowel....
Charles Spurgeon, who was not infallible, in that quote called Lavinia a Sabbath school teacher, not a deacon.
That's quite an odd response, to an account of someone's oustanding service to the church.
 

Logos1560

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There is a problem among Baptist churches where they have may have deacons but not elders and in such instances, a deacon often defaults to the role of an elder in order to fill this vacuum. It is often the deacons who are the only ones providing any sense of stability in a congregation when there is a "revolving door" of pastors who are coming and going! I therefore believe in a plurality of elders who are chosen from the congregation and are pastoral in their scope. If such is not the case, this ought to be the first priority of a pastor to see that such men are trained and qualified.
Concerning church government by a solitary or lone pastor and a group of deacons, Erroll Hulse maintained that this “had its deficiencies because the men chosen to be deacons had to function in many areas as elders” (Beardmore, Shepherding, p. 37). Charles Ryrie claimed: “The deacons often function like elders so that in effect there is a plurality of leadership” (Basic Theology, p. 409). Alexander Strauch affirmed that “in a great many churches, they [deacons] function as a quasi body of elders” (Biblical Eldership, p. 276). Phil Newton and Matt Schmucker suggested that “some churches have raised the bar of qualifications for their deacons so that they function as elders, even though their title does not reflect it” (Elders, p. 54).

Andrew Davis, Mark Dever, and Benjamin Merkle wrote: “In many Baptist and Congregational churches, however, a number of spiritual functions, typically the domain of elders, have been assigned to the deacons. They assist the pastor in various ways, especially in distributing the elements at the Lord’s Supper, and have evolved into a kind of executive and financial board for the church, particularly in congregations that no longer have boards of elders” (Dever, Baptist Foundations, p. 231). In this same book, Andrew Davis wrote: “Quite a common form of Baptist polity usually involves a senior pastor with paid staff that reports to him, a ‘deacon board’ that frequently sees itself as a check and balance to the power of a senior pastor” (p. 291). Benjamin Merkle observed: “There are many churches that have leaders who essentially function as elders, but these leaders are not called ‘elders’” (Why Elders, p. 24). Benjamin Merkle noted: “In many churches, the deacons function like elders in the sense that they are involved in leading and shepherding the church” (p. 26). Benjamin Merkle again pointed out: “In many churches, the board of deacons provides the spiritual leadership in the church in partnership with the pastor” (p. 96).

Phil Newton and Matt Schmucker referred to where “the deacons were ‘a hybrid’ that existed as a governing board while retaining the name of deacons” (Elders, pp. 166-167). L. Roy Taylor commented: “One cannot help but ask—if deacons are functioning as elders, why not call them ‘elders’?” (Toon, Who Rules, p. 163). Roy Taylor asked: “Is it not more accurate to say that in many Baptist churches deacons have a role of spiritual leadership, not just mercy ministry?” (p. 161). In its note for 1 Timothy 3:8, the KJV Commentary Bible stated: “Deacons fill a second leadership position in the local assembly” (p. 1774).

Perhaps many deacons became involved in a role including spiritual leadership after many Baptist congregations abandoned having a plurality of elders. Perhaps deacons start to fill the some of the role of elders after a pastor fails to teach, disciple, and train faithful men in his congregation so they can serve as leaders or elders who teach others (2 Tim. 2:2). Pastor Lewis Kiger posted on facebook: “In my experience, Baptist churches over the last few generations, have not done a good job of distinguishing between the spiritual gifts of elder and deacon. And men who were actually more gifted for the office of elder, were ordained as deacons … only because the church (and/or pastor) did not rightly understand God’s design for church leadership.”
 

canadyjd

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Deacons (literally servants) have ministries within the church and in the community. They can be male or female.

As mentioned above, the passage in 1 Timothy says “women”, not wives in context, and Paul clearly identifies Phoebe as a deacon. Notice the language is different with the elder qualifications.

The problem, imo opinion, is that many Baptist churches believe deacons have authority in the church, which they shouldn’t. They are all servants with ministries. Since they don’t have authority over men, women are clearly eligible to serve.

The authority lies with the elders.

A proper understanding of the role of the deacon should clear it up.

BTW, Spurgeon was brilliant on many levels and he got this right.

Peace to you
 

Armchair Apologist

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Concerning church government by a solitary or lone pastor and a group of deacons, Erroll Hulse maintained that this “had its deficiencies because the men chosen to be deacons had to function in many areas as elders” (Beardmore, Shepherding, p. 37). Charles Ryrie claimed: “The deacons often function like elders so that in effect there is a plurality of leadership” (Basic Theology, p. 409). Alexander Strauch affirmed that “in a great many churches, they [deacons] function as a quasi body of elders” (Biblical Eldership, p. 276). Phil Newton and Matt Schmucker suggested that “some churches have raised the bar of qualifications for their deacons so that they function as elders, even though their title does not reflect it” (Elders, p. 54).

Andrew Davis, Mark Dever, and Benjamin Merkle wrote: “In many Baptist and Congregational churches, however, a number of spiritual functions, typically the domain of elders, have been assigned to the deacons. They assist the pastor in various ways, especially in distributing the elements at the Lord’s Supper, and have evolved into a kind of executive and financial board for the church, particularly in congregations that no longer have boards of elders” (Dever, Baptist Foundations, p. 231). In this same book, Andrew Davis wrote: “Quite a common form of Baptist polity usually involves a senior pastor with paid staff that reports to him, a ‘deacon board’ that frequently sees itself as a check and balance to the power of a senior pastor” (p. 291). Benjamin Merkle observed: “There are many churches that have leaders who essentially function as elders, but these leaders are not called ‘elders’” (Why Elders, p. 24). Benjamin Merkle noted: “In many churches, the deacons function like elders in the sense that they are involved in leading and shepherding the church” (p. 26). Benjamin Merkle again pointed out: “In many churches, the board of deacons provides the spiritual leadership in the church in partnership with the pastor” (p. 96).

Phil Newton and Matt Schmucker referred to where “the deacons were ‘a hybrid’ that existed as a governing board while retaining the name of deacons” (Elders, pp. 166-167). L. Roy Taylor commented: “One cannot help but ask—if deacons are functioning as elders, why not call them ‘elders’?” (Toon, Who Rules, p. 163). Roy Taylor asked: “Is it not more accurate to say that in many Baptist churches deacons have a role of spiritual leadership, not just mercy ministry?” (p. 161). In its note for 1 Timothy 3:8, the KJV Commentary Bible stated: “Deacons fill a second leadership position in the local assembly” (p. 1774).

Perhaps many deacons became involved in a role including spiritual leadership after many Baptist congregations abandoned having a plurality of elders. Perhaps deacons start to fill the some of the role of elders after a pastor fails to teach, disciple, and train faithful men in his congregation so they can serve as leaders or elders who teach others (2 Tim. 2:2). Pastor Lewis Kiger posted on facebook: “In my experience, Baptist churches over the last few generations, have not done a good job of distinguishing between the spiritual gifts of elder and deacon. And men who were actually more gifted for the office of elder, were ordained as deacons … only because the church (and/or pastor) did not rightly understand God’s design for church leadership.”
My first experience with Baptists was with a senior pastor and a few deacons. There were some larger churches with a "pastoral staff" that reported to the Senior Pastor and I recall many often tried to make this sound as if it were a plurality of elders of which it was not. It was the Senior Pastor who "Ruled the Roost" and he was the "Man of God" and you did not dare "touch the Lord's annointed!" This is clearly a perversion that often exists in many IFB churches (especially KJVO and affiliated with a certain church in Hammond, IN among others) along with quite a few Southern Baptist Churches. When someone starts talking "Plurality of Elders" around them, they start saying you are drinking the MacArthur Kool-Aid and creating a "Multi-headed Monster" and so forth. My first experience with a plurality of elders was in the non-denominational Bible Church where it was a pure "eldership rule" and the members did not vote and of which I have said, it works well for them. I guess it was Reformed Baptists where I experienced plurality of elders in a Baptist Church and was ultimately introduced to "Elder-led, Congregational Rule" which is how my present church is set up and of which I would likely counsel any start-up congregation to adopt! I guess I need to do a little more digging on my Baptist history and perhaps I would discover such is more consistent with Baptist history?

There are many churches which have "Trustees" rather than elders and they are the ones who handle the finances, write checks, prepare annual reports, and so forth. Most of our elders act more in this category and only two of our elders actually share the pulpit on occasion with our pastor. There have been a couple of occasions where I have had to remind some of these elders what their job actually entails and in their defense, they are still learning and took it well (I was not rebuking them or anything). There are some elders who act like "Super-Deacons" or simply as "trustees" who have their names on the bank account and are authorized to sign checks. Their actual job is to serve as an overseer in the same manner as does the Senior Pastor and they had better be ready to rise to the challenge and anyone you are looking to elevate to that position needs years of actual preparation in order to be effective in this capacity! They do not need to be seminary graduates but they had better be able to effectively and authoratively handle the word of God and give good counsel to the congregation!
 

Ascetic X

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My first experience with Baptists was with a senior pastor and a few deacons. There were some larger churches with a "pastoral staff" that reported to the Senior Pastor and I recall many often tried to make this sound as if it were a plurality of elders of which it was not. It was the Senior Pastor who "Ruled the Roost" and he was the "Man of God" and you did not dare "touch the Lord's annointed!" This is clearly a perversion that often exists in many IFB churches (especially KJVO and affiliated with a certain church in Hammond, IN among others) along with quite a few Southern Baptist Churches. When someone starts talking "Plurality of Elders" around them, they start saying you are drinking the MacArthur Kool-Aid and creating a "Multi-headed Monster" and so forth. My first experience with a plurality of elders was in the non-denominational Bible Church where it was a pure "eldership rule" and the members did not vote and of which I have said, it works well for them. I guess it was Reformed Baptists where I experienced plurality of elders in a Baptist Church and was ultimately introduced to "Elder-led, Congregational Rule" which is how my present church is set up and of which I would likely counsel any start-up congregation to adopt! I guess I need to do a little more digging on my Baptist history and perhaps I would discover such is more consistent with Baptist history?

There are many churches which have "Trustees" rather than elders and they are the ones who handle the finances, write checks, prepare annual reports, and so forth. Most of our elders act more in this category and only two of our elders actually share the pulpit on occasion with our pastor.
I always thought Elders were just older, mature believers, filled with the Holy Spirit and with powerful faith. Saints who could anoint with oil and say the prayer of faith that heals the sick.


James 5:14,15

Is any sick among you? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.


I never thought of Elders as some ecclesiastical position of hierarchical rank, like a pastor. And a Deacon is just a servant, someone who handles church family meals and such.

Touch not the Lord’s anointed has nothing to do with abandoning scrutiny of a pastor or church leader. You better question what they say and do when appropriate. Otherwise, you end up with a Jack Hyles, David Hyles, Jack Schaap, Paul Pressler, Andy Stanley, Steven Furtick, Ted Haggard, Darrell Gilyard, Mark Aderholt, or Johnny Hunt.
 

JonC

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On another thread, it was mentioned "Our elders and deacons are typically appointed to handle administrative, financial, and pastoral care needs.'

So exactly what is the purpose of deacons?

In Baptist churches, Deacons have often be the leaders of the church.
Is that the Scriptural role for churches?

Open for discussion

BONUS QUESTION
I was in a church business meeting once, when the agenda called for us to vote on a deacon.
BUT the pastor stated - that our constitution did not call for deacons. - so the that agenda was passed over.
The purpose of deacons is to serve the congregation so that the leaders of the church can focus on leading the congregation.

In the Bible this was men and women chosen to "serve tables" (they oversaw the distribution of resources to the congregation).

Today we do not have the same system. Today (biblically) deacons would be men and women who distribute money as needed to the congregation (we do not typically collect food, but if we did they would distribute food to the congregation).

But the role of deacons has changed. We do not have deacons in the biblical sense. Instead deacons have become ministers, in some churches (even Baptist churches) they have become leaders (a step above the congregation, but still laity).
 
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Logos1560

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We do not have deacons in the biblical sense. Instead deacons have become ministers, in some churches (even Baptist churches) they have become leaders (a step above the congregation, but still laity).
John G. Lorimer asserted that “the Church of Rome and the Church of England have considered the deaconship as an order—the first and the lowest in the priesthood” (The Deaconship, p. 11). It has sometimes been suggested that the deacon in the Church of England is half-priest and half-layman. John R. Beard maintained that the makers of the KJV “retain this ecclesiastical term [deacon] only in the places where its retention may serve to support their own ecclesiastical system, by which the Christian ministry is made to consist of three orders, namely, bishop, priest, and deacon” (A Revised English Bible, p. 106).

George Bush claimed that “tradition has separated the deacon and the minister, but in the New Testament they are one and the same word” (Priesthood and Clergy, p. 72). John Beard observed: “When Timothy himself is in the Greek called a deacon [1 Tim. 4:6], then ‘deacon’ is rejected, and the translation ‘minister’ is preferred” (A Revised English Bible, p. 107).

At 1 Timothy 3:10, the pre-1611 English Bibles, including the 1538 Coverdale’s New Testament and 1582 Rheims New Testament from the Latin, have the rendering “minister,” which the makers of the KJV altered and expanded to “use the office of a deacon.” At this verse, the 1842 revision of the KJV has “serve as deacons.” Herbert Lockyer observed that deacons “were not regarded as being in office, (the phrase, ‘the office of a deacon’ 1 Timothy 3:10, is one word, meaning ‘to serve’” (All the Doctrines, p. 246). Concerning 1 Timothy 3:10, George Bush claimed: “In this instance ‘the office of a deacon’ is wholly imaginary; in the original it is, let them serve, or be in service” (Priesthood and Clergy, p. 70). George Bush contended that “the two pompous nouns substantive, ‘the office of a deacon’ when examined by the original, turn out to be phantoms of the translators, introduced into the text to take the place of a verb expressing quite another thought” (Ibid.). George Bush also maintained that this rendering “is plainly a coinage of the [KJV] translators” (p. 73). For the multi-word rendering “used the office of a deacon” that translates one Greek word at 1 Timothy 3:13, the 1611 edition of the KJV may have a more accurate rendering in its marginal note: “ministered.” There is no separate Greek word for office in these two verses.
 

Armchair Apologist

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I always thought Elders were just older, mature believers, filled with the Holy Spirit and with powerful faith. Saints who could anoint with oil and say the prayer of faith that heals the sick.
In a practical sense, this is what they are and we should not get away from the fact that "Elder" does mean "Older" meaning someone has achieved a level of maturity and life experience making yourself useful to those who are younger and still trying to figure out life, the universe, and everything.

We do need to remember the distinction between someone who may be a "functional" elder (ministering as such to those who willingly submit themselves to their counsel, etc.) and an elder that is officially "Recognized" as such by the congregation. It would only be such recognized elders who have official authority as an elder in a congregation and it is important that any "functional" (persumptive) elder acknowledge this and not usurp this authority.
James 5:14,15

Is any sick among you? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
I do not think there is anything wrong with a pastor calling a group of men to pray over someone who is sick and would not matter whether or not they are actually holding the "Office" of an elder but I believe that James is speaking specifically here of those who are actual elders.
I never thought of Elders as some ecclesiastical position of hierarchical rank, like a pastor. And a Deacon is just a servant, someone who handles church family meals and such.
There is no "Ecclesiastical Rank" per se. This was a later invention that evolved as certain bishops grew in prominence and thus carried more weight and influence - less experienced bishops deferring to those more experienced and seasoned (nothing wrong with this). This is where one was called an "Arch-Bishop" presiding over other bishops in their area. Such evolved further into Cardinals and Popes with the medieval church.

The scriptures are quite clear that there are only two "Offices" in an church - Bishop and Deacon. Bishops are synonymous with Elders and Pastors and in the Pauline epistles, there is distinction between elders that rule and elders that teach meaning that elders may have differing roles in a congegation depending on wherein their spiritual gifting may lie.

We get hung up on the Greek word "diakanos" which literally means "to serve" as opposed to "doulos" which is a slave. Some insist that Phoebe must've therefore been in the official office of a deacon because Paul calls her a diakanos but if you wish to follow such logic, Jesus was also a deacon according to Mt 20:28! Come to think of it, perhaps we are all deacons including the elders!:Laugh
Touch not the Lord’s anointed has nothing to do with abandoning scrutiny of a pastor or church leader. You better question what they say and do when appropriate. Otherwise, you end up with a Jack Hyles, David Hyles, Jack Schaap, Paul Pressler, Andy Stanley, Steven Furtick, Ted Haggard, Darrell Gilyard, Mark Aderholt, or Johnny Hunt.
I agree! Pastors (elders, etc) are not on some sort of elevated spiritual plane wherein they are untouchable or unquestionable! Seems that many good Catholics are able to acknowledge this whereas certain Baptists blindly follow their "Lord's Annointed" right into a ditch!
 
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