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In order to accept the teachings of Calvinism one must either re-define the words "world" and "whosoever" or pretend that God didn't really mean what he said.
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Don't think so:In order to accept the teachings of Calvinism one must either re-define the words "world" and "whosoever" or pretend that God didn't really mean what he said.
LOLOriginally posted by Rev. G:
In order to accept the teachings of "Arminianism" one must either re-define the words "predestine" and "elect" or pretend that God didn't really mean what he said.
Amen.Noone disagrees that "whosoever" (absolutly anyone) who believes will be saved. We only think that the only ones who will do so (or even wish to do so, or even have the slighest desire to do so) will have to be drawn by the Father first.
Sad but true.Pioneer
In order to accept the teachings of Calvinism one must either re-define the words "world" and "whosoever" or pretend that God didn't really mean what he said.
Actually they will have been drawn by God as in "I will Draw ALL mankind unto Me" John 12:32.Noone disagrees that "whosoever" (absolutly anyone) who believes will be saved. We only think that the only ones who will do so (or even wish to do so, or even have the slighest desire to do so) will have to be drawn by the Father first.
2 thess 2:13 ... God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation. Seems clear to me ...Originally posted by Sularis:
Im saying that in no way does pre-destination or election have anything to do "directly" with salvation