Did Jesus have Divine or Human Blood?

So how does sin nature pass from one to the next? I always assumed it was through the blood. Since Christ's blood is pure, the implication is that our blood is sin filled. While that may be true, it doesn't have to pass this way since the blood systems are separate.

Is it through the male seed? Since that seems to be the missing ingredient in Christ. But if that were the case, Christ would not be 100% man and 100% God, he would be 50% man and 100% God. Is it in the genes? I don't think it could be in the genes since that would have passed from Mary to Jesus. Or does it pass spiritually?

It could pass by any of these means, we don't know and won't for a little while longer.

 

the Curse is implied To Be Genetically through via the male (authority or representative) and is also imputed personally by God himself. we are covered by this curse two ways.

Every molecule in this universe has the curse in it.

we are born with the "Genetic" Material of death itself. its impossible to be born in this universe and not be cursed. Thats why the virgin birth with Jesus's "other than" genetic material is necessary to be understood biologically pure. Theologically, his blood is without sin being originated outside our universe of death. Not held Spiritually liable of The Curse From God The Father

He Also is the only human to actually have the Spirit of God Reside "Within" His Body.
seeing that he is the only human being that lived with a "sinless" body.

when he died , and was resurrected. His Body Contained the sinless molecules that was used to restore the molecules of our cursed universe. The Perfect Sacrifice.

Thats Divine Blood...

Me2


[ August 26, 2002, 07:59 PM: Message edited by: Me2 ]

 

SheEagle, do I understand the article right? It looks like he is saying that sin nature is transfered by the male seed? Or did I miss something?

 

Then I have the perfect Idea - cloning - that way we get no sin - we'll just clone and genetically manipulate female samples that way they can have no sin nature, and we'll force a sex gene change, just so we can have a few pure males to restart a new - sinless human race.

The virgin birth has no sin-screening properties
The sin-nature carries no sin with it - only the bias or tendency to sin. sin is not sin nature
Let me clarify SIN is an action - SIN NATURE is NOT an action.

Let's talk about babies - I say they go to heaven, having committed no sin - I also say that if man could continue to not sin past his infant years he would be an acceptable sacrifice, sinless, but still with the bias for sin - for he would have had to have had a will that face down any power on earth. However its not going to happen save through the single person of Christ.

How can Christ be tempted - since temptations - both successful and unsuccessful come out of our human nature?

"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. or (sin apart) Heb. 4:15" - If I can say Christ was not tempted like I was - then Christ is incapable of atoning for that sin.

I can hear the voice of God of now "I'm sorry but Jesus was never tempted in that area - and so I'm not covering that sin." He was tempted in ALL areas!

Hebrews 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

13 ¶ Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Christ allowed Himself to become FULLY human - with a HUMAN SIN nature so that He could be tempted - otherwise He could not being that He is/was/always will be God

 

Sularis, that is just plain bizarre. YOu are bordering heresy yourself. Jesus did not have a sin nature. Christ was tempted in all points as us. However, the temptation Christ was faced with came from an outside source (Satan) since His humanity had no ability to sin. Christ was tested to prove who He was, not to see if He would really sin.

You also have to take into account that tempted in the passages listed could just as well mean tested. Do a little more thinking on the issue and see if you can come to another conclusion.

You mentioned the James 1 passage. It very clearly says that God cannot be tempted with evil. Is Jesus God? End of discussion.

Out like an arrow aimed at liberal theology.

 

Jesus HAD To Have Had A Sinless Body..Sinless Blood...Sinless Nature (zoa) Sinless Spirit..

Any Part Of These Mentioned would have tainted the others..

Sin in the Body Taints The Spirit..Spirit is not Holy
Sin in Spirit...Body Becomes Tainted.....Body Contains Sin

Sinless Nature Cannot Exist With A Sin Spirit or Body containing Sin (or curse)

Its Impossible for Mankind to Save Itself..We Exist in An Entire Universe..where Every Molecule contains Sin....This universe Cannot Contain God...Its in a State of Death.

we live by fath..not by sight

Jesus Came into this universe in his "OWN Packaging"..A Holy Body Created outside this universe of Death. Thats the only way his body contains pure blood...SINLESS

SINLESS BODY
SINLESS BLOOD
SINLESS NATURE

unfortunately No One..Not Even Babies Are Created or born Sinless within this universe of death.. The Curse of Death Makes It Impossible.

Only God The Father Imputing The Righteousness of Christ On These Babies Can They Be Saved. But You Open A Can Of Worms.These Humans Are UNHOLY. God Doesnt Choose with No Bases. These babies are not special in any way compared with any other human being.
God would be partial..picking and choosing..one over against another. If These Deserve death and God intervenes in the lives of these, then he must theoretically choose all the others that are non deserving.
We Can Argue This subject till death but legally.. A Holy Spirit Cannot be contained in a Body of Sin (or Death...Entropy). Its Nothing The Baby Did Or Didnt Do...Its The Body of Death. that taints the spirit...Even Then God The Father IMPUTES The Curse Personally To Our Individual Spirit At Birth. We Are Dead Two Ways..A Third Way, is When Our Soul "Dies" because of our choices that we make that are against God.

We Can Only Live Before God By Faith..Bringing The Eternity into the Present. God Allows Us To Live AS THOUGH We Have A New Spirit by Faith, A new Body...By Faith
or even that God Is Inside Us..By Faith...........We Still Have A Sin Body.

God Has Taken Away A Veil Of Ignorance..We Now Can Only Renew Our Minds
and Live By Faith with a Promise Of What God Will Complete In Us.

Me2

 

Post-it;

Wow. You've got a lot to be cleared up on.

As others have said, at no point does a mother's blood mix with a baby's. The nutrients are passed from one to the other in the placenta with no mixing.

Joseph and Mary had not had sex at that point. Mary was an unmarried virgin. So Joseph's sperm wasn't there.

The sin-nature comes from the male line, not the female. Note in Genesis, it was the woman's seed, not the male's, that would crush the head of the serpent. That's because Jesus was a female-line descendant of Eve, but not a male-line descendant of Adam.

 

Is The Idea Possible That It Was Neither Persons Seed or egg.
All Genetic Material Would Have Been Supplied By God

True, The Male would Pass On Curse Through Seed. But The Female Would Have Had Death In The Genetic Material Of The Egg.

So Can It Be Concluded That Both Genetic Material From Both Parents were Supplied From God ? Can This Be Disproven?

With The Female Bringing The Child To Full Term...

Me2

 

Dont be using the word heresy unless you got the guts to come up here and do something biblical about it! Use the words wrong, misled, perhaps foolish or ignorant - but dont use blasphemer or heretic

I will no longer suffer Pastors and Sunday School leaders - to simply say to their class - oh he's a heretic ignore him. Just because I say there is a Hell, That Satan has his own power apart from God(but is still under God's control), dinosaurs exist, that the spiritual gifts have not ceased, etc...

God cannot be tempted - BUT Christ was not only FULLY God - He was FULLY man

If I recall I posted a verse where '...He suffered himself to be tempted' - and then I posted a verse that defined temptation as an outer source, affecting internal desires which then cause man to sin.

I ask you to consider the request Jesus made of the women in the garden to refrain from touching Him for He had not yet ascended to His Father.

Little odd that - after if was not human with His Divine blood and all that - why not worship - because His Divinity is to be expressed and worshipped in the Spiritual Realm not the physical and dont go overboard on this - because God is the God of flat tires and there isnt much spiritual about those - God is Spirit - God is not something we can physically classify.

You are saying God the Father has "divine" blood?

If Christ has not human blood but rather divine blood - He obviously didnt get it from Mary

Or can we rather agree that Christ had sinless human blood?

Since this concept of divine blood kind of made me spew my Coca-Cola onto my monitor (well ok dribbles onto the keyboard; and it was fruit punch) the first time I read it.

And if we can take that step - i think you can guess where I will go - and so I'll wait to see if you take that step

But this divine blood - I want verses rehashed and posted supporting divine blood - cause that seems to me a very wrong doctrine.

 

Would you care to tell me how God would accept human blood for a perfect sacrifice ?

In the Old Testament economy, the sacrifice was a spotless one, without blemish. Why would God accept foul trash like human blood. It is altogether corrupt! Refer back to my other post on page two and think about this. Yes, He was fully human, but He had no sin nature. Refer to 1Peter 1:18-20.

It's like this...if I dent my cake pan, then every single time I make a cake in it, it will have a blemish because the mold is imperfect. EVERY SINGLE HUMAN born after Adam is imperfect, sinful and corrupt. Jesus Christ is the only man that ever walked this earth that had uncorrupt blood. He was the GOD-MAN, and His blood is precious!

 

Well, I guess I'll have to set everybody straight, he said with tongue in cheek. Anyway, here's my opinions, love them or leave them!

The initial cell that began Jesus' life inside Mary COULD have been created all by itself, we have no way to rule that out, as John the Baptist said, God can of these stones raise up children for Abraham. But I don't think that is what happened. I think God used a real egg cell of Mary's and miraculously added what was needed to make the host body for Jesus.

When Jesus was in the days of his flesh, his blood was ordinary blood, doing the things blood does for us all. Of course, it was special because it was HIS blood, but if you took a sample of it and analyzed it in a lab, you would find nothing special.

What set Jesus apart from all the rest of us was never the atoms and molecules that make up His body. It was the spirit.

When the Bible speaks of the blood of Jesus being shed for the remission of sins, it is not that real blood has that power, rather, it is the real LIFE OF JESUS that was given for us all, of which the shedding of His blood is the SYMBOL.

The use of blood as symbolic of life is HIS CHOSEN SYMBOL. We shall always use it and cherish it.

If, just prior to the crucifiction, somebody were to completely transfuse all the blood of Jesus and put other blood in its place, that would have made absolutely no difference! It was not the matter, it was the spirit that provided what we need.

When Jesus told Mary "touch me not", the real meaning of His language was "stop touching me!" She had grabbed him and was hanging on for dear life, and He needed to disengage before He could go back to heaven. No biggy there.

Well, them's my sentiments.

 

The bigger question is how could he accept anything else for human redemption? If Christ's blood was not human, then there is no atonement. The sin of man is not in his blood; it is in is soul, his being. This idea of divine blood (whatever that is) has no basis in Scripture. It denies the full humanity of Christ. In Heb 2, we are told that Christ partook of the same flesh and blood as the children do. That should settle it.

However, we must remember that full humanity does not demand a sin nature. Adam was fully human without a sin nature as was Christ.

 

Sularis, I do not hold to the idea that Christ had anything but human blood. He was indeed, fully human.

Just because Christ was fully human, that does not mean that He had a sin nature. That is why He was born of a virgin.

What I do think is heresy is your assumption that Christ had a sin nature.

 

Examining The Diety of Jesus Is Attempting To Seperate Him From Humanity As a Whole.
God Expresses Himself As Perfect. We Are Overwhelmed with Information. God Designed This Information To Be Able To Be Comprehended on OUR Level of Understanding.
Our Universe is Based on The Breakdown At A Molecular Level..Called Entropy. Given Enough Time. It Will Destroy Itself. Our Universe is Based Molecularly on the idea of Death. The Curse.

In This Universe...Satan Is god..He Has Been given The Power of Death. and God The Father Designed It This Way.
This State of Death Was Created so That Evil Could Exist. Death Could Exist. We Could Be Exposed To Sin and Death and Evil. To Learn, through experience, what Gods Kind Of Nature is Like. For God To Use Resistance in His Favor As He Controlled His Creation To HIS Enevitable Conclusion.

Jesus Had To Be Born With Pure Cells, Pure Blood. His Body Did Not Have The Molecular Properties of Death...Entropy. His Body Could In Reality Contain A Holy Spirit.
Gods Nature or Life is Zoa...Love...His Spirit Pure..Sinless. Could only Be Contained in this universe in a Pure Body..Sinless..Outside The Original Curse Placed on The Seed Of Adam. and Not Attached To Anything That The Effects of Entropy Had Effected.

His Body Contained no Death. No Sickness. He Couldnt Die...In The End He Had To "Give Up The Ghost".

This Is More Important Knowing That He Was Not Of This Existence Than The Idea Of A Virgin Birth. It Sets Apart The properties of the Curse That Effects Adams Seed as well as all of creation..The Entire Universe....And Focuses on Who and What Jesus HAS TO BE.

He Has To Be God..He Has To Be Pure..Sinless..and His Body Has to Be Sinless..
He Has To BE Made Of Material That Is Not Identified with The Entropy of This Universe of Death.

This Concept of Pureness Forces The Mind To Accept The idea of Jesus Having To Be GOD.
Having to Be The ONLY Substitute for Mankind. and Having to be worth all creation Combined.

With That Idea In Mind...Its Easy To Say That Jesus Blood Was Divine

 

What is divine blood?? What properties does it have that make it divine or human?

[ August 29, 2002, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: Pastor Larry ]

 

After Mentioning Jesus Blood and Body Had To Be of The Material Like Adam Was Pre Fall...

God Is Holy..Sin Cannot Exist In The Presents of God. Only God Can determine what is and isnt Sinless Before Him. He Contained His Spirit within The Body Of Jesus Proving The Body and blood to be Sinless and acceptable to exist in the presents of God The Father.

The Blood Was Capable Of Providing Life Forever..Perpetual Life giving Source..incapable of Decay..Incapable Of Disease. Incapable Of Death. Perfect Human Blood Designed By God.

The Blood Was Able To Be Brought Before The "Mercy Seat In Heaven". Another Holy Place where Sin Cannot Exist. It Was Accepted As Sinless Before The Father As A Subsitute Sacrifice For All Of The Cursed Creation. Proving It To Be Sinless.

It Is Divine By Right..Acceptable By God As Worth All Of His Creation...Every Atom.

Me2

 

Why all this discussion about human 'ova' etc!
IfI believe that Jesus is the SON of GOD then I believe,I don't worry myself about the complexities. JESUS IS GOD.