Were there that many

Joey
A few days ago I decided that you were not even worth responding to. Your last post insinuating that Joshua has not been saved changed my mind. You are incredibly obnoxious, mean, and narrowminded (read a**inine). I'll tell you what, why don't you apologize to Joshua and then ignore this thread. Everyone who reads it will be better off if you are absent.
Russell

 

Russell, please take personal conflicts off the board. There are personal emailing, and regular emailing to do this sort of thing. Do not clutter the board with something like this.

And that goes for all you gentle posters, please separate the subject from the person. Do not react but rather act. If you abide by these simple rules, you'll see that the temperature in here will go way down. Thank you!

 

Barnabas,
I apreciate your response and you are correct, ordinarily I do use Private e-mail, but in this case I felt that a public response was required. Joey or anyone for that matter does not need to question another brother or sisters salvation, perhaps his post should be edited out.
Russell
I will do my part to drop the temp on this thread

 

I, too, get tired of this repeated questioning of someone's salvation; it seems that some who are constantly harping on God's sovereignty are trying to claim some of that sovereignty for themselves.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Joey M:


No, you mean it's not clear to you. And nor do you want it clear to you, because then Josh would have to clean up his act. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that Joey is right on this point at least. As to the other point I will make no judgement other than to say that these issues do become very clear to most who are saved.

Russell, for future reference, it's spelled with only one "s".

 

PaJim
Spelling again, Ms Tiller 2nd grade teacher never had that one in our spelling words.

 

Leviticus 18:22 (NIV)
22 ”‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

If I recall, Josh’s argument on this is that it belongs in the Levitical Laws that the dispensation of the “new covenant” abolished. I’m not going to argue that although I do not totally agree with that line of reasoning. What I will argue is that when God says something is detestable (abomination in some translations) to Him, can you argue, Joshua, that God has changed His mind?

Numbers 23:19 (NIV)
19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Some have accused (myself among them) Joshua of not being saved. Others attack them for being judgmental and insensitive. If homosexuality is detestable to God (is that still in question?), and Joshua preaches ”license for it,” what does the Bible say about that?

Jude 4 (NIV)
4 For certain men whose condemnation was written about a long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

Romans 3:4 (NIV)
4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”

 

If homosexuality is acceptable, then bestiality is acceptable as well.

There, I said it. I know it's gross, but some of y'all were thinking it anyway.

Bestiality carries the same warnings and the same punishment as homosexuality (Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 18:23, Lev 20:15-16)

If the logic is that the new covenant completely does away with stuff like homosexuality being wrong, then I don't wanna hear any of y'all complaining about your neighbor having carnal knowledge of an animal.

Yes, webmaster and moderator, that's pretty intense; but I pray that you'll leave it here instead of editing it out.

 

I thought I'd just put another scripture I came across into the mix...

Revelation 21:8

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who paractice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-their palce will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

21:27

Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.


Why can't this be taken for the warning that it is? There are some things that are desputable, but this one is not.

[ November 11, 2001: Message edited by: Tuor ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tuor:
I agree.

Christians have a tendency to kick the sick when they are down. In our desire to remain holy, we avoid the man who got attacked.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So...you agree with Smoke_eater...or do you?? He just posted that Sodomites are not sick and you just said that they are!!
Look, people. I don't care what your phsycologist mother or favorite saint or even your thickest commentaries say about the issue...God and His Word has the final authority. I will be posting some Bible verses which address sodomy. BTW...where does the term sodomy and sodomite come from?? And what did God do to them??

Read the Bible!!!

 

How can we, mere human beings, describe any issue contained in God's Word as "non-essential"? Here is What God says:

"Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins." Isaiah 58:1
(I know...that verse is in the O.T. and doesn't apply unless it supports our cause.)

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." I Corinthians 6:9-11

Webster's 1828 dictionary defines effeminate as "Having the quelities of the female sex; soft or delicate to an unmanly degree; tender; womanish; voluptuous. ...;weak; resembling the practice or qualities of the sex; womanlike,... "
There is no question as to whom God is refering to as effeminate.

We can "debate" as much as we want, but God's word will stand long after you and I are proven wrong.

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." Romans 3:4

P.S. More verses to come. I bet you can't wait!

Because HE Lives,
-Ron Pittman


[ November 12, 2001: Message edited by: mission2mexico ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tuor:
Gina,

Such people would question Christianity. I believe this is fine. It is not fine to teach a false doctrine and still call it Christian. There is much scripture to support this view.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen!!!!!

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mission2mexico:


So...you agree with Smoke_eater...or do you?? He just posted that Sodomites are not sick and you just said that they are!!
Look, people. I don't care what your phsycologist mother or favorite saint or even your thickest commentaries say about the issue...God and His Word has the final authority. I will be posting some Bible verses which address sodomy. BTW...where does the term sodomy and sodomite come from?? And what did God do to them??

Read the Bible!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again.....Amen!!!!!

 

Curtis and mission2mexico,

What have I ever done to the two of you that you would spread lies about me?

The same Bible that condemns homosexuality also says that God hates a lying tongue.

Please have the beams removed from your eyes before examining the speck in someone else's.

Mike

[ November 13, 2001: Message edited by: Smoke_Eater ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mission2mexico:


So...you agree with Smoke_eater...or do you?? He just posted that Sodomites are not sick and you just said that they are!!
Look, people. I don't care what your phsycologist mother or favorite saint or even your thickest commentaries say about the issue...God and His Word has the final authority. I will be posting some Bible verses which address sodomy. BTW...where does the term sodomy and sodomite come from?? And what did God do to them??

Read the Bible!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What I was talking about is people struggling with sin. People who struggle and fall should be helped, not kicked.

 

Dear Bro.,
I never lied about what you said...here is your quote. I would not lie about you or anyone to prove a point. I was just pointing out some contradictions. Tuor said he agreed with you but he also said Sodomites were sick. Now that I have read more of Tuor's posts, I understand what his POV is.

Also, I am not attacking anyone in my posts. I am addressing sin. I am called of God to be a preacher of the Word of God and I am obligated to do so. That should not bother you according to your posts. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

Because HE Lives,
-Ron P.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Smoke_Eater:
Joey,


Your analogy about child molesters doesn't work for several reasons.

The first is because, obviously, if someone were a known child molester they wouldn't be teaching children.

The second is that pedophilia is a mental illness and molestation is an act of non-consentual violence. Homosexuality is not a mental illness, except in cases where gender dysphoria may be involved and even then, the percentage of heterosexual vs. homosexual pedophiles is roughly the same.

My mother, who is a psychologist, read your post over my shoulder and showed me several studies that concluded that about 50% of pedophiles are juveniles with no homosexual tendencies and the rest are about 50/50 hetero vs. homosexuals.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[ November 13, 2001: Message edited by: mission2mexico ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tuor:


What I was talking about is people struggling with sin. People who struggle and fall should be helped, not kicked.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dear Bro.
People have to realize they have fallen before they can be helped up. This dear brother cannot address this sin until he realizes that it is sin. As long as people (especially other Christians) defend him and his sin, he will not realize he is in sin.
Besides, satan has an agenda to slowly and purposefully introduce sodomy, pedophilia, abortion, etc. to the church until the church is full of these sins. It is a cancer. We cannot and must not ignore or defend cancer in our midst.

Because HE Lives,
-Ron P.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Smoke_Eater:
Curtis and mission2mexico,

What have I ever done to the two of you that you would spread lies about me?

The same Bible that condemns homosexuality also says that God hates a lying tongue.

Please have the beams removed from your eyes before examining the speck in someone else's.

Mike

[ November 13, 2001: Message edited by: Smoke_Eater ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What you are trying to do to me is convince me homosexuality is acceptable. And my Bible tells me it is not. And you should tell me where I lied.

 

mission2mexico,

I agree with everything you said. I am sorry if what I posted led people to believe that I support homosexuality in the church. If you will go back to the very beginning of this thread and read my posts, I believe this misconception will be cleared up completely.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.