Tithing - YES or NO?

but if you earn $25,000 (middle income) have pay 10% or
with work gospel (missionary, paster, ministry, speaker, teach )
total 700 hours per years. ( Lord pay $5.10 per hours).

if you have rich $200,000/yrs have 10% pay.
or with gospel work that turn down to 8% pay. (700 hours / yrs).

if you have lazy poor $5000/yrs have 10% pay or
with gospel work that turn back income $5.10 per hours.

Bro Rockwell Butler

 

When I survey the wondrous cross,
On which the Prince of glory died,
My richest gain I count but loss,
And pour contempt on all my pride.

Forbid it Lord that I should boast,
Save in the death of Christ my God;
All the vain things that charm me most,
I sacrifice them to His blood.

See, from His head, His hands, His feet,
Sorrow and love flow mingled down;
Did e’er such love and sorrow meet,
Or thorns compose so rich a crown?

Were the whole realm of nature mine,
That were a present far too small;
Love so amazing, so divine,
Demands my soul, my life, my all.

Isaac Watts

 

Now those OT Saints tithed under the law. We are under Grace! Let it be known that anytime we let a Jew living under the law give more than we can give living under grace, we become a disgrace to grace!

This is Blackbird shooting straight from the hip!

 

Warm Christian greetings!

Tithing is an OT law, not a NT requirement for Christians. If Christians wish to do so then that is a good principle, but it should not be taught as a requirement for believers under grace.

Moreover, if we do tithe, it is between us and the Lord to whom we give it.

Kind regards,

Robert J Hutton

 

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me nothing.

 

Thanks

 

To me it is strange how people jump on bandwagons without really studying the principles.

The tithe in the Old Testament was for the upkeep of the Temple and to take care of the Levitical Priesthood. So many people claim that preachers today is the same as the Levitical Priesthood.
I am sorry but the Apsotle Paul did not agree with this because he himself said he worked and earned his own living. He was a tentmaker and he kept working and preaching. THis sure does not sound like the modern day preacher who claims they have to be paid a full salary and cannot hold a job. Paul started churches and he traveled everywhere but he still earned his living. Yes he did accept offerings at times but he said he worked lest any church boasted that they were supporting him.

 

hr,

I am starting a new topic as my question doesn't have to do with tithes but your statements about Paul. Please check it out and help with an answer.

 

Are you assuming I don't give at least 10%?

I have no problem with anyone purposefully deciding on a percentage to use in their giving. I just don't like to see people trying to make fellow saints feel guilty if they don't give 10%(not that I am saying anyone on this thread does that). Each one of us should give what we can willingly and cheerfully give.

I think all of us need to remember that 100% of what we have belongs to God - money, time, body - and that we are accountable to Him for all of it.

Ken

 

An answer I gave on another web site.

Is Tithing a New Testament concept? Yes and no.

Though Moses gave explicit instructions concerning the Tithe, the Tithe
predates the Mosaic Law. The Scripture speaks of Abraham paying Tithes to
Melchizedek, the priest of the Most High God, long before there was a
nation of Israel, or a Moses, Gen. 14:20.

Hebrews chapter 7 presents Melchizedek as a type and shadow of Jesus
Christ and said that Abraham paid tithes to Him, as the Head of the
Church, for Christ is a High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.

It should be noted that Abraham's Tithe was not by constraint. It was not
compulsory, as was the Tithe under Moses. It was a cheerful offering in
honor of Melchizedek's office.

And so it is in the New Testament. Christians are called the children of
Abraham in the New Testament (Gal. 3:7), and if we are Abraham's children,
we will do the works of Abraham (John 8:39), not by constraint, but
willingly.

In that sense the Tithe is in effect. If we would do honor to Christ's
priesthood, we would bring Tithes.

Now some will say that since we are no longer under the Law of Moses, we
are not expected to Tithe. It is true that we are not under constraint,
but the expectation is there. In fact it follows that those who love
Christ will cheerfully honor His office with a Tithe as did Abraham, and
of course a tithe is ten percent.

Some will point to 2 Corinthians 9:7, "Every man according as he purposeth
in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God
loveth a cheerful giver." and say that God leaves it up to me how much to
give. What they mean is "I can give as little as I like or not at all,"
but they completely misunderstand the context. "God loveth a cheerful
giver." How would you describe a cheerful giver? One who only offers the
smallest amount with which he can possibly bear to part? How would you
describe a cheerful gardener? One who plants the fewest plants and does
just enough to keep them from dying?

A cheerful giver is a liberal giver. Our word "hilarious" has as its root
the Greek word, "hilaros," which is in 2 Cor. 9:7 translated "cheerful."
And so, there are those whose love of Christ compels them to offer even
though it may cost them their next meal.

The Scriptures contain the following narrative in Mark 12:

41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast
money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which
make a farthing.
43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I
say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which
have cast into the treasury:
44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did
cast in all that she had, even all her living.

What does it cost a man who has a million dollars to spare to give a
million dollars? What does it cost one who does not have ten dollars to
spare to give ten dollars? Infinitely more. Those who love little will
spare themselves. Those who love much will give though they themselves
are in need. That is how the Tithe exists under the New Covenant.

After seeing it under the light of the New Testament, certain covetous souls
may wish the ten percent was all that was required.

 

Scary logic

 

The tithe - Ten Percent:

Brethren, Jesus loves us no matter if we tithe or not?

HankD

[ July 28, 2002, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: HankD ]

 

Scary only to the covetous soul.

 

Scary logic

Even so, next time you plunder a town and kill all the people, then take the livestock and all the spoil, seek out the local priest and give him his 10%. Abraham's example lives. And while you're at it, sacrifice a few sheep and goats.

 

I have never heard a message on tithing that went back to the source, that is, Genesis 14, with the point being, that Abraham gave Melchizedek 10 percent of the spoils of war. And Abraham did not keep any of the rest, but gave it all back to the King of Sodom.

 

If the tithe is in the New Covenant, how do you get the curse out?

GAL 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." [11] Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." [12] The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." [13] Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." [14] He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Jesus died to redeem us from the curse of the law. The tithe is not reinstated for the Church after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. So, if you teach people to tithe, how do you keep them from coming under the curse that was associated with being under the law?

 

We are not under the Law for righteousness, and that is what Paul was saying to the Galatians. We do not rely upon the works of the Law to justify us. We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ alone.

However, Paul appealed to the Law of Moses for a pastor's right to be paid, 1 Corinthians 9:9, 1 Timothy 5:18.

I do not appeal to the Law of Moses for the Tithe. I appeal to the works of our Father Abraham.

The Law was added 400 years later.

[ July 29, 2002, 01:25 AM: Message edited by: Aaron ]