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Larry:
1.Prove the Holy Spirit directly operates on the sinner to save him.
2.Prove your assertion about I Cor.2:14. I have read and posted the meaning of the context. Please prove to me the meaning of the context is incorrect and, therefore, not harmonious with the rest of the revealing fo God's truth to man.
3. Who are you to say it does not mean as I have posted?
4. I have provided the scriptural evidence for my position. You are not engaged in proving yours. It appears you are disconnected with what the Bible says.
5. You ignore the very beginning of what God did when he created man. God created man good.( Gen1:31). He made man in his own image.( Gen. 1:26,27). When did man become a sinner? Remember, sin is the transgression of law. (I Jn. 3:4).
6. You are asking God to engage in a logical contradiction. giving man a will and not letting him use it. Gods does not do this.
7. Men do not inherit sin. If so, You have the inherited guilt of sin greater than the personal righteousness of Christ,as according to you, only the foreordained elect will be saved. In other words Christ died for the elect and them only.
8. Adam sinned because of his choice. According to you, God told him not to eat of the fruit, but he then made him do it because he made him a sinner. This would be like me telling my kids do not eat that candy and then putting it in their mouth making them eat it. Then punishing them because they ate the candy. This is the implication of what you believe.
9. You have not dealt with the toatlity of the evidence, if I held your position I would not either. Howwever the Bible says In Psalms 119:160 "the sum total of they words are truth."
10.Men come to God who are taught.( John 6:45). so then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.( Roms. 10:17). Again, accepting evidence.( Jn.20:30,31, Hebs. 11:1).
Moroever, in the same chapter and verse 66,67 some disciples left and followed him no more with him. Jesus asked the 12 will ye also go away? If they were drawn by the Spirit and are the elect he already knew it and had no reason to ask the question? Becauwe you also believe the impossibility of apostasy. However, the Bible teaches us that men can fall away and be lost.( Gal. 5:4,II Tim. 2:17, Rev. 20:10;21:27)
11. You have accused me of teaching false doctrine. You have made an assertion. You have not proven it.ASSERTIONS ARE NOT PROOF.I agree their is false teaching but it is not emanating from me.
12. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ for IT IS THE POWER of GOD UNTO SALVATION to EVERYONE that BELIEVETH to the JEW first and also to the GREEK.(Romans 1:16). Romans 1:16 wil still read the same way today , tomorrow and until time on this earth is over. It will read that way on the day of Judgement,too! It does not matter how many people say the gospel is not the power to save us. The Bible says it does!
Frank

 

Have done this until I am blue in the face. You have been given a number of verses all throughout this thread and others that show 1) the inability of man to come without unilateral divine intervention and 2) the work of the Holy Spirit on man. You simply refuse to accept it because of your presuppositions.

The passage is discussing why unsaved man does not understand the things of the Spirit of God. The context is the mystery of salvation and the things that God in his wisdom has prepared for those love him. The context goes back to 1 Cor 1 where the call to salvation is addressed (vv. 24ff.). This passage answers the question, Why doesn’t everyone realize the wonderful blessing of salvation and accept the crucified Messiah? The answer is, while God has revealed these things to us by his Spirit, he has not done so to the natural man; therefore natural man cannot understand them because he does not have a spiritual mind.

Nobody.

Where is your evidence? I have not seen one word of scriptural evidence for your position. I have given verse upon verse that you will not deal with. I have dealt with what the Bible says. You have given a number of verses that support me; just none that support you.

I have not ignored this in the least. You have ignored the teaching of what happened because Adam sinned. Rom 5 clearly and unequivocally teaches that because Adam sinned, we are all sinners. We are not sinners because we choose to sin. We are sinners because Adam sinned. Your limiting of sinfulness to conscious and willful transgression of the law is unbiblical. Romans 5 proves this to be so.

In no way. Man does use his will. I have always maintained this. Man has a free will. It is free to do whatever he desires to do. It is wholly and completely free to operate within the confines of his nature, just as God’s free will operates.

Then you deny the teaching of Rom 5. The fact of Rom 5 is that we get righteousness in the same way that we got sin. If we got sin by conscious willful transgression, then we get righteousness only by conscious, willful obedience. Thus, you render the death of Christ unnecessary based on Paul’s teaching in Gal 3 that if righteousness comes any other way, then Christ died in vain. The reason Christ had to die is because all men are born into sin and have no choice about being sinners.

This is a lie.

You name the verse and I will deal with it. I have not shied away from any biblical text.

I agree. But not all men who are taught come to Christ. Why? As Christ tells us in John 6:64 "But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. 65 And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father." This is why people don’t come and this is the truth you want to ignore. It is the evidence from Christ himself that you will not address. When you understand the context of 6:37, 44 you see that all who are drawn will come and will be raised up. There is no room for one to be drawn but not to be raised up in eternal life. This is the Scripture.

I have shown from the biblical text where your explanations and musings are insufficient to deal with what God has told us about the way that he works and about the natures of God and man.

I agree without a doubt. If you understood the issues at hand, you would not be accusing me of denying this.

 

I agree. But not all men who are taught come to Christ. Why? As Christ tells us in John 6:64 "But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. 65 And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father." This is why people don’t come and this is the truth you want to ignore. It is the evidence from Christ himself that you will not address. When you understand the context of 6:37, 44 you see that all who are drawn will come and will be raised up. There is no room for one to be drawn but not to be raised up in eternal life. This is the Scripture."

Nice how you take scripture OUT OF CONTEXT to try to build you how theology out of verses that you misuse. We don't ignore it we Just know in what Context it is being used.

First of all..the Gospel of John is still..OLD TESTAMENT written to the JEWS. and Please notice that Jesus tells you that the Sprit that Quickeneth is the WORD!! Jesus says that His words give life. As a matter of fact you are told twice that The words of Jesus Give eternal life.
anyway down to v. 64 it says "But there are some of you that believe not( talking to his diciples)not because they can't.. it doesn't say that.

And if you compare verse 64 to what you were told in verse44 you see that men are drawn by God..and then at the end of the chapter you are told that it is WORD that gives life. your theory's are very wrong and not sound doctrine.

and you pointing out that Jesus Knew from the Beginning who would belive him and who would betray him Does not prove one single thing having to do with any Calvinist doctrine. beginning of what? his Ministry perhaps?

You want to get technical and try to prove that these verses prove that Christ actually chose people for salvation you better take a look at v.70 that is right there in the context. It says he chose 12 and one of them was a DEVIL. Jesus CHOSE 12, men were chosen by Jesus himself and one was a devil..He did the same works as the rest, in fact the rest had no idea who would betray Jesus.

you Calvinist might be devils being deceived into thinking your saved.

Brother Frank you keep on your right on track. you made very excellent points..

 

. Adam sinned because of his choice. According to you, God told him not to eat of the fruit, but he then made him do it because he made him a sinner.

That is what Frank said Larry and you said it was a lie..how so?

Are you A Calvinist? Don't you believe in TOTAL DEPRAVITY Of man? So by your reasoning..man can't go to god, so in order for man to get saved God has to first save him so he can accept. and since man can't accept Jesus this is done against the man's will. So actually Frank hit it right on the nose. Man either has free will to choose to obey God or else God forces man to sin against his commandments. which is it?

Do you belive you sin? you still have your OLD NATURE! or does God make you sin? or Do you have a choice to obey God?

What frank wrote isn't a lie..what is a lie is the Calvinist theology.

 

is that all you have to say about what was posted or is this your way of not dealing with issues that were brought up?

 

Your logic and theology are convoluted, and so full of strawmen, its hard to know where to begin.

Absolutely.

Bzzz! Wrongo! Adam became a sinner because he chose to sin. Now, it was certainly within God's ordained plan of redemption that Adam sin, but God did not make him sin. Your problem is not being able to grasp First Causation and Secondary Causation.

God is First Cause of all things. He must be for He is God. "For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." (Col 1:16-17). God has ordained all that is and all that occurs for one purpose: to glorify His name above the heavens. ALthough he ordains everything which comes to pass, he often works through secondary causation (creatures) so as to bring about his perfect will, even through the sinful acts of evil men. "But as for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive." (Gen 50:20). The evil actions of Joseph's brother were foreordained so as to bring about the bondage in Egypt of Israel, and their deliverance through Moses, as a foreshadowing of the plan of redemption in Christ. "And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose." (Rom 8:28).

If you say that God did not know Adam would sin, then you are an open theist and deny the God of the Bible. If you say God knew Adam would sin, but created him anyway, and allowed all of mankind to fall into sin, then you have not "removed" the culpability of God anymore than the Calvinist; but rather have made God a willing accomplice in man's depravity. Only Biblical theology - Calvinism - realizes that God is First Cause, and all that he ordains is good, even the evil in the world, for anything God does is good by definition and not by man's feeble definitions, and God's ordinances work through Secondary Causes to serve His greater purpose: the glorification of his name among creation through the redemption of lost sinners.

The London Confession of Baptist Faith, Chapter III

Of God's Decree

I. God hath decreed in Himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever come to pass;[1] yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein;[2] nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established;[3] in which appears His wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing His decree.[4]

1. Isa. 46:10; Eph. 1:11; Heb. 6:17; Rom. 9:15, 18
2. James 1:13; I John 1:5
3. Acts 4:27-28; John 19:11
4. Num. 23:19; Eph. 1:3-5

You may prefer the unbiblical God who is only a crystal-ball gazer and foresees what will happen by sovereign men; I prefer to put my faith and trust in the Sovereign God of the Bible who is in control of every molecule of the universe, and even controls evil, for my eternal betterment.

Isaiah 46:3-13 (ESV)
"Listen to me, O house of Jacob,
all the remnant of the house of Israel,
who have been borne by me from before your birth,
carried from the womb;
[4] even to your old age I am he,
and to gray hairs I will carry you.
I have made, and I will bear;
I will carry and will save.
[5] "To whom will you liken me and make me equal,
and compare me, that we may be alike?
[6] Those who lavish gold from the purse,
and weigh out silver in the scales,
hire a goldsmith, and he makes it into a god;
then they fall down and worship!
[7] They lift it to their shoulders, they carry it,
they set it in its place, and it stands there;
it cannot move from its place.
If one cries to it, it does not answer
or save him from his trouble.
[8] "Remember this and stand firm,
recall it to mind, you transgressors,
[9] remember the former things of old;
for I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me,
[10] declaring the end from the beginning
and from ancient times things not yet done,
saying, 'My counsel shall stand,
and I will accomplish all my purpose,'
[11] calling a bird of prey from the east,
the man of my counsel from a far country.
I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass;
I have purposed, and I will do it.
[12] "Listen to me, you stubborn of heart,
you who are far from righteousness:
[13] I bring near my righteousness; it is not far off,
and my salvation will not delay;
I will put salvation in Zion,
for Israel my glory."

 

Because God doesn't make anyone sin. Adam sinned by choice. Adam's descendants sinned in him (Rom 5) and now make sinful choices because of their depraved nature. God does not have to force anyone to sin. They do it of their own free will.

Not at all. God regenerates the will so that man wills and does what God works in him (Phil 2). God does not save anybody against their will. It would be contrary to his revealed word to do such.

Not only did Frank not hit the nose, he didn't even hit the face. Man has a free will to do whatever is consistent with his nature. He willfully chooses to sin because his nature is sinful. This does not have to be forced.
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I have warned you before about your demeanor. You cleaned it up a bit but are starting to return to your old ways. Keep it on topic, not on people and dispense with personal attacks.

 

Larry:
1. Name a person in the New Testament that was saved by the direct operation of the Holy Spirit?
2. Give me a declarative statement that says the direct operation of the Holy Spirit must regenerate man to save him?
3.Provide the totality of evidence that teaches that the direct operation of the Holy Spirit must regenerate so as to save him? You have not answered one, and two, and have not shown any passage that so indicates three. I have read all of the ones you have posted. God draws by the cross. ( Jn.12). Men come to God in faith. ( Hebrews 11:6). They receive evidence and respond.( Jn. 20:30,31, MK. 16:16). The Gospel draws, and teaches men what they must do to be saved. Acts 16:30, Acts 9:6, Acts 2:37, Romans 1:16). The words, context and implications so teach this. And that is what the Good book says.
Well, I guess that does not matter either because a depraved person is incline to not good thing so the Bible cannot help him. The depraved person's will is messed up. He wouldn't be saved if he could and he couldn't be saved if he would. I guess if you are the non-elect you just eat, drink and be merry, for you wil die and split hell wide open and there is not one thing you can do about it. This is the implication of Calvinism. WHO believes it?
Furthermore, you do not know what i believe about Romans 5. I have not mentioned it. Again, just like the John 3:16 you are just poisoning the waters.
The implications about Calvinism are correct. You just do not like it. I guess the Bible is just a dead letter. It,according to you has NO POWER, Instead of being THE POWER. That is an interesting concept indeed. You cannot have it both ways. It is either the Spirit or The Gospel.I still affirm the GOSPEL IS GOD'S POWER TO SAVE. ( ROMANS 1:16). I understand it real well. It says what it says and mean exactly what it says.
Do you believe you have the same Holy Spirt as Paul? If so, answer the question the jailer asked in Acts 16:30. After all, if you have the same Spirit the answer will be the same. I hope you will do this.
Frank

 

We could start with the eleven disciples, Paul, Luke, John Mark, Onesimus, Philemon, Lydia, Cornelius, the 3000 at Pentecost ... I could go on and on but there is not enough room. The point is that everyone who has ever been saved was saved by the direct operation of the Holy Spirit.

Why? You are not listening to Scripture anyway. Frank, this is not a point you will win with people who understand Scripture and theology. To borrow the words of Christ, you err because you do not know Scripture. The theology and the text has been given time and time again but you are choosing to reject it.

This is remarkably similar to the above question. You must not be reading even your own posts.

So then all are saved (cf John 6:37, 44, 64-65). Or your understanding of this verse is wrong.

And I don't disagree with any of it. You simply cannot cross the bridge in 1 Cor 2:14 where the unsaved man does not understand the gospel in order to respond to it.

Everyone who believes Scripture believes it. This is teh teaching of Scripture. These people are doing exactly what they want to do. They are not trying to be saved. They are rejecting it.

I am not poisoning the waters at all. I am showing why your position is wrong in light of Rom 5. Either Rom 5 is right or you are right. The two are mutually exclusive.

In no way.

The Spirit works through the gospel to save those who believe. This is the uniform testimony of Scripture.

Yes

My answer is the same. The question is, Why did the jailer ask that question? What was the difference between his previous rejection and his acceptance? It was the setting apart of the Holy Spirit.

You keep addressing things that are not at the root of the issue. YOu deny the biblical teaching about the nature of man and God. Until you accept that, you will continue to err.
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I think it is about time to start winding this down. It is not progressing in the least. If you have specific passages to address then list them and we will talk about those. These general posts are repeats of the same things that have been previously posted and thus are useless.

 

How about Lydia? "The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul." Who is the person of the Godhead that works internally? The Spirit did an internal work on Lydia and as a result of that work, she understood and believed Paul's presentation of the gospel.

"Moreover I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again'. The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit." (John 3)

"For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, decieved, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour. "(Titus 3)

The cross means nothing to us without the work of the Spirit. "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God."(1 Cor 2)

Yep. But no one can respond in faith without the work of the Spirit. "...no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor 12)

The Bible can help, but it helps through the illumination of the Holy Spirit.

Nope, it is a letter that becomes alive throught the illumination of the Spirit. "But God revealed them [the things which God has prepared for those who love Him] to us through His Spirit" (I Cor 2)

It is both things. The gospel meets the work of the Spirit and then there is faith.

Of course. And anyone who believes on the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved. People must believe in order to be saved. But people will only do this because the Holy Spirit is already at work within them convicting them and calling them, making them responsive to the call of the gospel.

[ May 01, 2002, 01:02 PM: Message edited by: russell55 ]

 

Larry:
You left the jailhouse to soon. There is no evidence of any Holy Spirt direct operation in the text not by declarative statement,example or implication. I will answer the question. The Bible says, in response to the question, in verse 31, and they said,believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved and thy house.Vs. 32. And they spake unto him the Direct operation of the Holy Spirit,NO! the text says the WORD OF THE LORD and to all that were in his house.Vs. 33.And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes: and was baptized he and all his straightway. By the way, the only one who could baptize with the Holy Spirt was Christ.(Mat. 3:11).
This baptism had a human administrator.( Mat. 28:19,20). It was a birth in water and put him in the church which is the kingdom. Mat. 16:18,19). The church and the kingdom being the same entity as the one body.( I Cor.12:13, Col. 1:18 Eph. 1:22,23.) Romans 6:3,4 and Col. 2:12 indicate the baptism that saves is that of water baptism.(Roms. 6:3,4,Col. 2:12). If not, then one is buried In something and raised from that something.If it is water then it makes sense. If it is the element of the Spirit,one is forced to accept he is buried in the Spirit and then raised from it. This implies one does not have the Spirit.(Romans 8:9,Gal.4:6).
Frank

 

Most of your post makes very little sense. PErhaps you can clear up some of your thoughts. They seem to a be a string of unconnected and unrelated points.

However, to answer your point, there is no evidence from the text that the Holy Spirit was not in direct operation. Your problem is that you still cannot explain why he asked that question. The teaching that the Holy Spirit is directly operating in every salvation is clear from Scripture. The only reason to deny it appears to be to uphold an unbiblical view of man. I cannot understand how this can be a problem.

You say it was the Word of the Lord. Yet on teh basis of 1 Cor 2:14, he cannot understand the word of the Lord until the Holy Spirit does something in him to illuminate him. Therefore, intepreting Scripture by Scripture shows your understanding to be incorrect.

[ May 01, 2002, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: Pastor Larry ]

 

Russell:
Please quote the verse that teaches Lydia was saved by the direct operation of the Holy Spirit?
The text says in verse 14,"Heard us" whose Heart the Lord opened. She responded to what she heard. No direct operation here either. Because faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the WORD of God. (Romans 10:17).
John 3:3-5 requires a birth in water. see also Acts 2:38,47;Col. 1:18, I Cor 12:13,Eph. 1:22,23;
Acts 8: 38,I Peter 3:21).
Romasn 6:3,4 require a baptism in water. If so, one is buried in something and raised from that something. If water it makes sense, if it is Spirit, then one is buried and raised FROM the Spirit. This implies you are none of his( Romans 8:9,Gal. 4:6).
Finally, the baptism of the great commission was by human administrators. (Mat. 28:19,20). The baptism of the Holy Spirt was by Christ only.(Mat. 3:11).
Frank

 

Huh?

"...and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul."

Paul preached the gospel, Lydia listened, and the Lord opened Lydia's heart so she would respond. That sounds like pretty direct operation to me. God worked inside Lydia so that she would respond.

John 3:3-8 requires being born of the Spirit--read the text.

Once again--huh?

You know, the more I read of your posts, the more I believe you are completely unorthodox in your beliefs--picking a phrase here a there and but failing to see the whole picture of scripture. I have actually never discussed with anyone (Calvinist or Arminian) before who doesn't believe the Holy Spirit is an operative agent in our rebirth. It seems to me to be so obvious from scripture (hey, why is it called spiritual birth, anyway, if it is not the work of the Spirit?), that one has to ignore scripture after scripture after scripture to keep on denying it.

[ May 01, 2002, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: russell55 ]

 

Larry:
The Bible says man must be born of water and spirit.(Jn. 3:3-5).Men are saved by the washing of water by the word.(Eph. 5:26), it does not say by the direct operation of the Holy Spirit. It says washing of water by the word. Men are washed in the blood of Christ for sins to be forgiven. ( Jn. 1:29, Rev. 1:5, I Peter 1:17, 18). How? and when does this take place. It happens when one contacts the blood in Water baptism for unto the remission of sins.(Acts 2:38, Acts 8:38). The Eunoch was baptized in the water for the remission of his sins after he heard the message about the Lamb of God.( Is.53, Jn. 1:29, IPet.1:17,18). He was baptized in water.( Acts 8:38).
Jesus promised to guide the apostels in all the truth.(Jn.16:13). He told them to go to Jerusalem to receive the power to know the truth of the gospel.(Lk. 24:49). They went to Jerusalem and received the power to know the truth of the gospel.( Acts 2:1-4, Jn. 3:3-5 the spirit). They proclaimed the gospel by the power promised THEM. They preached the word. The text says it is the word that saved the three thousand. (vs. 39-41).
In Acts 8:12-17, the Sanarians were baptized. ( Vs,12). The Bible teaches us that did NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT.( vs.16). Therefore, they were not baptized by the Holy Spirit. In fact, they were baptized in water as a response to the WORD. (vs.14). Washing of water by the word.( Eph. 5:26).
Your reply about baptism is without Biblical support. There are two times in the Bible where the baptism of the Holy Spirit happened.( Acts 2 and 10). Peter said the only other time he could remember the baptism of the Holy Spirit was in Acts 2, as it happened at the Household of Cornelious. You claim it happens everyday. Poor Peter I guess he had Alzheimers.( Acts 11:15). The baptism of Acts 2 was on the apostels who proclaimed the inspired message of the Gospel. (Acts 2:38). The pouring out on flesh was completed when the gentile house of Cornelious was baptized by the Holy Spirit. SALVATION WAS NOT GIVEN TO EITHER GROUP BY THIS ACTION. The Holy Spirit provided the power to the keys of the kingdom.(Mat. 16:18,19, Col. 1:12,13, Eph. 1:22,23, I Cor. 12:12, 13). It was the word that saved.( Acts 2:40,41). It was the washing of water by the word. ( Eph.5:26).
In the two cases of Holy Spirit miraculous intervention, NNE WAS SAVED. Furthermore,neither baptism was ADMINISTERD BY MAN WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE AUTHORITY OF JESUS CHRIST TO BE DONE UNITL THE END OF THE WORLD.( Mat. 28:18-20). Therefore, it was not the baptism that saves.( I Peter 3:21).
Larry, Calvinism reminds me of a passage in Jeremiah 2:13, it is a cistern a broken cistern that holds no water.
1. Calvinism denies men must have and active faith to be saved. Romans 16:26, Hebrews 11:6, Acts 2:40 teaches he does.
2. Ask the question what must I do to work the works of God. The Calvimnist replies.. Nothing. The Bible teaches there is work he must do. ( Jn. 6:29).
3. Calvinism teaches a direct operation of the Holy Spirt must take place in order to save. the Bible teaches it is the word of truth that saves.( James 1:18,21).Men are begotten by the word, not by the intervention of the Holy Spirit.( I Cor 4:15).
4. Calvinism teaches man is depraved.(God said he made us GOOD.( Gen.1:31,Eccl. 7:29, Gen. 1:26,27).
5. Calvinism denies the very defintion of sin and what constitutes sin. ( I Jn.3:4). It is missing the mark. It requires and action. It is not inherited.( Ezek. 18:4,20).
6. Calvinism teaches that the inherited guilt of Adam's sin is greater that the personal
a righteousness of Christ,as he died for the elect only.Yet,ALL MEN Inherit the guilt of Adam's sin. Jesu died for all men. ( Hebrews 2:9,I Jn. 2:2).
7. Calvinism denies the Power of the gospel message to save man from his sins. Romans 1:16 teaches us it is God's Only Power to save everyone.
8. Calvinism denies men have any active role in their salvation. The Bible teaches there is something we must DO. (Acts 9:6;16:30;2:37). The Bible teaches us we must have an obedient faith.(Romans 16:26. Romans 1:17). Jesus said, we must believe. ( Jn.8:24). We must repent. ( Luke 13:3,5). Jesus said we must confess him. ( Mat. 10: 32). Jesus said we must be baptized. ( Mark 16:16). Jesus said we must be faithful. (Rev. 2:10).
9. Calvinism teaches that the unborn and infants are sinners. Jesus said men must be converted and become as little children. (Mat. 18:3). Jesus said," suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not for of such is the kingdom of heaven." One must become as a little child or he will in no wise enter the kingdom of heaven.(Lk.18:16).
Frank

 

Russell
I read the text. Here it is for you. Except a man be born of WATER and the spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Russell read the whole counsel of God on the matter.( Acts 20:27). The spirit provided the keys to the kingdom. ( Mat. 16:19, Lk. 24:49, Acts 2:1-4,38). Water baptism is for unto the remission for sins. ( Acts 8:38,12-16,I Peter 3:21). It is done by the washing of water by the word. ( Eph. 5:26) It is the Holy Spirit that deliverd the word. ( Eph. 6:17, Hebrews 4:12). This is the promise of Jn. 14:26, 15:26;16:13). Notice in Acts 2 he fell and they spoke and men obeyed and were saved. ( Acts 2:38-47).
Lydia was saved the same way as any other person in the gopsel dispensation. She heard had faith and was baptized for unto the remission of sins.(Acts 2:38). The passage of Acts 2:38 makes no sense if it is Holy Spirit baptism, as it would mean that they were baptized by the Holy Spirit and then received again.
Frank