What about Women Pastors

What would it matter what "We" think? Isn't the bible the only authority? If a woman chooses to usurp the authority of God, isn't it her problem to answer for it? Same with the congregation that chooses to usurp God's authority by electing a woman to pastor, it is not "we" they all answer to, but God. Baptists are constantly being told that we don't "keep up with the times", maybe it is that baptists refuse to put God second to the times?

 

If the Bible is final authority then why again is it okay for Baptists to change beliefs because we are in a different society for other things but choose to ignore the same reasoning on other topics?

This is the question I also posed in my response and am waiting for a response. This is why a lot of southern Baptist churches pulled away because it did not make sense to them why we can change certain things based on todays society but other things we cannot.

 

In my church, women never teach over men in Sunday School. I think a lot of people are so caught up in trying to be "politically correct" that they try to reason out why things should be different today. In essence, they argue against God's word and use any excuse in the book to back their faulty logic. No, women should not be pastors/preachers/reverends or whatever you choose to call the person that delivers the sermon from the pulpit. People, the Devil loves political correctness, which is just an offshoot of liberal type thinking. And I mean liberal in its definition today. BTW, I am an Independent Baptist who solely believes that the KJV is the inspired word of God for all English speaking people. One more point, yes there are a lot of women who are the spiritual leaders in their homes, but I would question if they are married to a saved man or perhaps they are married unequally. Besides, a wife who ministers the Word to her children while the father is away is a far cry from what this whole thread is about in the first place. Just something to think about.

 

Well said, Scooby. My church is the same way. The ladies in our church might teach home school at home but they do not teach, or preach at church. God never called a female to be a pastor. That is what I read and was taught.

 

Sularis, I think you question has been well answered. We must all be ready to give an answer as to why we hope in God. That is personal evangelism. Evangelism as we use it today is still a preacher and in some ways like a Overseer/Bishop in that he goes from town to town and teaches/preaches the Word and women are not to teach where men are in attendence. That would shoot them down there. A missionary that starts churches would also be only for men.

The older women are to teach the younger and I don't see many jumping up to the call God has given every older woman. Why not, because it is more flashier, politically correct and bra burning to be a pastor than the mentor God wants them to be. How much as the churhc and society suffered by wome leaving their calling for one they are not to have we shall not know until Glory.

 

By the way, I have a full sermon inthis topic that I just e-mailed to Sularis. If anyone else would like it you mail e-mail me at mavmin@earthlink.net. Shalom!

 

Maverick,
I agree with you here. There are so few Titus two women in the church. There is not much limelight for those that choose this path. So, most of the "older" women I see in church reject this command. They prefer to "use their talents" as I have been told. But, all I usually see is ladies who want the recognition of people.

HCL

 

Why is it that men change the word of God to suit their doctrine? All the apostles were men and there wasn't a women apostle in the bunch. Ordain all the women preachers you want but its not scriptural. Do we worship in the house of God or in the house of the doctrines of men. Like the bumper sticker said... God said it... I believe it... And that settles it. Men will be men pleasers but only those who stand for truth please God!... Women pastors, preachers and ministers are an abomination and God plainly says so... God says the woman is not to usurp authority over the man and be silent in the church... Why don't you believe it? Has God changed the order of things or has man changed Gods order?... Brother Glen

 

Hey Tyndale... I like it better this way...

God said it
That settles it !!!

 

Lets hear it from the brethren in Amen corner!... "AMEN"!... Brother Glen

 

Everyone of you that have taken this view why don't you go to the Pastor in your church and tell him that he needs to separate the women from the men because that is exactly what was the case in the Day of Paul.

Not only that but your pastor needs to forbid women to even speak out at all. They should not sing solos or participate any way shape or form in the service. He also needs to remove all women sunday school teachers even those who teach children because there are male children.

They cannot go out on missionary fields or teach Vacation Bible School.

Go ahead and notify your local board that they are in violation of scripture and lets see just what happens.

 

hrmena,
In Titus 2:3-5 woman are commanded to be teachers of the younger women. So, they are permitted to teach them as well as their own children.
I agree that many women are in positions of leadership that are unBiblical, but if I go to my Pastor and tell him what to do, then I have become like them.

HCL

 

In reply to hrhema,
If singing a solo gives a woman authority over me then you bet I will never listen to another solo! As for teaching SS, well I guess that I ought to send my wife to work and stay home myself because she shouldn't teach our sons, using your logic.
The scripture plainly states that a woman should not have authority over the man. Don't argue with those of us who hold to that scripture, take it up with God. He said it, we just believe it!

 

Counselor- are you supporting women or againt them? I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic or if you misunderstood hrhema.

 

John MacAuthor is doing a series on this topic.
May 7-10.

www.gty.org

 

Actually, because of acoustics the men were placed in front and the women started rows behind the men. That is why thye were not allowed to speak, but rather ask their husband at home since they not understand or hear something. It appears that many were disrupting the class with questions maybe by shouting out instead of waiting to be recognized or whatever.

I have been in a non-Baptist Church Sunday School and Church service where men sit on one side and women on the other which prohibits the elbows in the side or the whispering of women asking their husband something and disrupting both him and the classroom. Human nature has not changed. My wife hated it because she likes to elbow and ask questions, but I saw the logic in the setup.

Nowhere does he say that they cannot sing.

5567 psallo (psal'-lo);
probably strengthened from psao (to rub or touch the surface; compare 5597); to twitch or twang, i.e. to play on a stringed instrument (celebrate the divine worship with music and accompanying odes):
KJV-- make melody, sing (psalms).

I like the twang part as in a three chords and the truth.

2980 laleo (lal-eh'-o);
a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk, i.e. utter words:
KJV-- preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter. Compare 3004.

They cannot teach as in doctrine

1321 didasko (did-as'-ko);
a prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb dao (to learn); to teach (in the same broad application):
KJV-- teach.

But they are allowed to

4994 sophronizo (so-fron-id'-zo);
from 4998; to make of sound mind, i.e. (figuratively) to discipline or correct:
KJV-- teach to be sober.

Interestingly, that one of the first suffragettes started a college to teach women how to be good wives not Pastors or Senators. I believe it was Susan B. Anthony, but it has been a while since I read that biography.