O.T. Law

Warm Christian greetings!

I agree with the outline of different kinds of law in Dr Bob Griffin's post.

On a general note, the main issue at stake appears to be whether or not the Sabbath Day commandment still applies. In Romans 14 v 5-6 we are told that the keeping of "days" is a matter for the individual.

Kind Regards

Robert J Hutton

 

If we are led of the Spirit we are not under the law.
However, the Spirit of God has never led me to lie, steal, fornicate, etc...
So while I am not under the law as a pro-active way of life, I keep the commandments by virtue of following the Spirit of Christ.

And then, if I am walking in the light as He is in the light, I have no pig appetite for sin and death but a sheep appetite for green pastures and still waters.

No one has to try to keep a sheep from eating garbage and carrion or wallowing in the cesspool (though a sheep might fall in, he wants desparately to get out).

But, if I leave off following the Spirit of Christ and wander, sooner or later He leaves the ninety-and-nine sheep and... (well, you know the rest of the story).

HankD

 

RE: Deuteronomy 22

9 Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.

Hmm, better check my garden.

11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

Hmm, better have the ushers check clothing labels for this.

I know, I'm a trouble maker.

HankD

 

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Excellent book-answers many of the "law" questions, though not all. Lots of common sense here;--DISCLAIMER!! (At least the last edition I read, which is now about 20 years old. Wouldn't expect any major changes though!)

 

What would we do without ham, pork chops (Southern fried), shrimp, and sweet succulent lobster tail dipped in fresh drawn butter? (sigh)

But on a serious note, if we had always adhered to the National Law (as for Israel), would our nation be better off than we are today? i.e., adultery, fornication, homosexuality, witchcraft, drug addiction, abortion, political alliances, etc. (I note that in the history of Israel, National Law fell by the wayside the majority of the time due to political alliances.)

Anybody care to comment or will the liberals attack me yet again?

Interesting questions & interesting responses so far....

PS: Edited to say: Now about Jubilee (the 50 year feast)....wouldn't that nice! No more mortgage...

[ July 20, 2002, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: EagleLives911 ]

 

Why should ministers be paid? Because it is written in the law of Moses.

Looks like this is for Bob after all,

Christians do not set aside the law, we establish the law (Rom. 3:31), not in its elementary, carnal forms, but in its true, spiritual sense--even the laws contained in Leviticus. What is really meant about not mixing linen and wool in clothes, and Dr. Bob's quotation from Deuteronomy about garments pertaining to women and to men? Are these things profitable to us?

Absolutely, as Scarlett O. aptly observed, Paul stated emphatically, all scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousnes. But how are these worked out in the Christian life?

A good place to start would be with Andrew Jukes', The Law of the Offerings: the Five Tabernacle Offerings and Their Spiritual Significance. It's true, there's much more about Christ in them beside His shed blood.

 

Dr. Bob said: Take clean/unclean animals. Moses didn't come up with that. NOAH had that coupla thousand years prior to Sinai. so is that a moral absolute law?

No. God changed it with Peter (so that Bob could eat shrimp, ham, etc thank you). So it LOOKED like it transcended the Mosaic Law and applied to all time, then ZAP it changed!

Sabbath is like that. From creation and emphasized in the Mosaic Law, so it was absolute and the Adventists are correct!??! NO. Now we have the Lord's Day.

In my view the Sabbath is nothing like clean vs unclean.

Sacrifice also predated Moses. Cain and Abel were offering sacrifices, but it was not so from the beginning.

Simply because something predated Moses does not mean it somehow supercedes Mosaic law. The question to ask is, was it so from the beginning?

In the beginning we see God resting on the seventh day. So though the NT form may be different, no one can say that the Fourth Commandment is no longer in force.

If by breaking one part of the Decalogue I violate all of it (James 2:10), then it follows that if one part has been done away, then it all has been done away.

 

Why do so many Christians, when challenged regarding their convictions, resort to such meaningless ad hominem attacks?

I don't ignore verse 4, or verse 5, or verse 6.

I have never hidden myself when a brother's ox or ass has fallen by the way. And I have never killed a female bird along with her chicks when she was sitting on the nest.

Now just to be on the safe side, let's not ignore the rest of the context either.

Verse 8, when I build a house I build a railing around the roof/balcony so nobody falls off.

Verse 9, I don't sow diverse seed in my vineyard. It makes harvesting too hard. I sow different seeds in different places.

Verse 10, I never plow with an ox and an ass hitched together. One is much stronger than the other, and the other is much faster than the first. Doesn't work.

Verse 11, I never wear a garmet of wool and linen. The first time you wash it the wool will shrink and the linen will not, and the garmet will be ruined.

Verse 12, as to the tassels on the corners of my kesooth, well, I don't own a kesooth, so I guess the point is moot!

 

< In the beginning we see God resting on the seventh day. So though the NT form may be different, no one can say that the Fourth Commandment is no longer in force. >

I can and I have, bud.

< If by breaking one part of the Decalogue I violate all of it {James 2:10}, then it follows that if one part has been done away, then it all has been done away. >

Moronic reasoning. The word "Decalogue" is not in the passage you cited. And in your example above concerning the sabbath, you stated "the NT form may be different." So if any part-- the particular day, no work of any kind by you, your family, servants, or animals-- is done away with-- and if the 'NT form is differnt,' it has been-- you say it has all [presumably the 'decalogue'] been done away.

 

I don't ignore verse 4, or verse 5, or verse 6.

I have never hidden myself when a brother's ox or ass has fallen by the way. And I have never killed a female bird along with her chicks when she was sitting on the nest.

Now just to be on the safe side, let's not ignore the rest of the context either.

Verse 8, when I build a house I build a railing around the roof/balcony so nobody falls off.

Verse 9, I don't sow diverse seed in my vineyard. It makes harvesting too hard. I sow different seeds in different places.

Verse 10, I never plow with an ox and an ass hitched together. One is much stronger than the other, and the other is much faster than the first. Doesn't work.

Verse 11, I never wear a garmet of wool and linen. The first time you wash it the wool will shrink and the linen will not, and the garmet will be ruined.

Verse 12, as to the tassels on the corners of my kesooth, well, I don't own a kesooth, so I guess the point is moot! </font>[/QUOTE]Doc Cas, you are NOT allowed to blow gaskets!!!! That's my job, remember???? LOL....That's been the biggest thing in the IFB that has "hindered" so many of my family members. We were raised with my mother wearing slacks, but not to church. For goodness sakes, she and Dad owned a western store. I got into trouble for pointing out the obvious to the youth director that coullottes were nothing more than glorified shorts, and that didn't set well with IFB people. It was way back then, before I was ever saved that I started questioning IFB belief systems and teachings. I spent another 20 years in IFB churches after getting married, and even preached for them on occasion, but I NEVER have held to or been convicted by the Holy Spirit on the level of most IFBers in either music, Bible Versions or clothing. (Oh, oh....I feel the "heretic" name coming at me now...LOL) That is why after all of the pain and trouble in this last church we finally started looking for where we KNEW the Holy Spirit wanted us, and it was at a SBC. Praise the Lord for His goodness to me, and the salvation both my wife and I have, and for a good strong SB pastor.

Brother Tony

 

Brother Tony, I am glad somebody recognized the tongue-in-cheek nature of my post!

Dr. Bob: Uh, the verses we were dealing with were 4, 5, and 6, remember?

 

I like Bro Tony's method of interpretation!

Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy
God.

So, as long as my wife goes to the "women's apparel" section of JC Penny (for instance) to purchase slacks, its OK according to Deuteronomy 22:5.

Cool.

HankD

 

The Ten Commandments fall into the category of moral law and apply to us in their entirety. They are all issues of right/wrong.