KJV vs. Modern Version - II

I note that both of you are making another serious error. You are attempting to apply textual transmission principles to the Greek translation of the OT which only apply to the inspired Hebrew OT.

If you treat the Hebrew OT and the Greek OT the same way, you either make the error of the Modernist who believes the transmission of bible texts is the same as the transmission of secular texts, and thus denies the preservation of God, or you make the error of the most radical of the KJVOs who try to apply the principles of inspiration and preservation to a translation. If you do the former you are a Modernist, and if you do the latter, you are a heretic and cultist, for that is what both of you call the KJVOs who are doing with the KJV exactly what you are trying to do with the LXX.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
I just am not sure what your point is Thomas.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>My point is exactly what it always was. I will post it one more time. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I am saying what I have been saying all along. No Apostolic or pre-Apostolic Greek OT MSS exist to prove the NT quotes from a Greek OT.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I am still waiting for anyone to post the Apostolic or pre-Apostolic MSS which is unambiguously quoted in the NT.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
As I previously said, there is every reason to believe that the NT quotations are from the LXX.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And your reasons for believing that are based on what extant OT Greek MSS? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>There is no reason not to believe that. The evidence for a preapostolic LXX is virtually unquestioned.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And this evidence would be found in what OT Greek MSS? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>You still have yet to explain it and I would like to see it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I have posted my position several times. One last time. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I am saying what I have been saying all along. No Apostolic or pre-Apostolic Greek OT MSS exist to prove the NT quotes from a Greek OT.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>As you either will not or can not stick to the discussion of OT Greek MSS which date to the Apostolic or pre-Apostolic period which are quoted in the Greek NT, I am locking this thread.

[ November 24, 2001: Message edited by: Thomas Cassidy ]

 

Phillip,
Hi, I am Paula's husband and I read the e-mail you wrote her. Here are some scripture that I hope reprove and edify you. When you asked her to diagree with our Pastor without telling him just to see how he responds.
Luke 12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

nullEphesians 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

And we can have this hope and joy.

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

And Brother, some food for thought..

1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Well Brother we Love you and hope the best for you. Take care.

[ November 24, 2001: Message edited by: Matthew Lootens ]

 

If one tenth of the effort put forth here was applied to soulwinning the pastors here would be so busy discipling new converts they wouldn't have to post here to show people their ability to research useless facts.

One either accepts God's Word by faith or goes about to establish that which he agrees with. The KJV worked fine until some "scholar" that had no discernment couldn't read the Bible in his natural state so set about to write a book he could understand, devoid of many precious truths found in the true Word of God.

Title: The Holy Bible, King James Version


1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:15 (KJV)
15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1 Corinthians 2:16 (KJV)
16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.


It's in the book!

Get out of your study and go talk to some lost soul about Christ!! This thread has gone on far too long, nothing is being accomplished except wasting precious time that could be better utilized seeking the lost. Christ gave up chow time to win a women to the Lord, don't you suppose you fellas could spend less time trying to impress other with your studiousness and more time obeying God?

Matthew 28:18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.!!

11Timothy1:I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.



Ernie

[ November 24, 2001: Message edited by: Ernie Brazee ]

 

Ernie said:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> One either accepts God's Word by faith or goes about to establish that which he agrees with. The KJV worked fine until some "scholar" that had no discernment couldn't read the Bible in his natural state so set about to write a book he could understand, devoid of many precious truths found in the true Word of God.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen Ernie!

Paula

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thomas Cassidy:
I note that both of you are making another serious error. You are attempting to apply textual transmission principles to the Greek translation of the OT which only apply to the inspired Hebrew OT.

If you treat the Hebrew OT and the Greek OT the same way, you either make the error of the Modernist who believes the transmission of bible texts is the same as the transmission of secular texts, and thus denies the preservation of God, or you make the error of the most radical of the KJVOs who try to apply the principles of inspiration and preservation to a translation. If you do the former you are a Modernist, and if you do the latter, you are a heretic and cultist, for that is what both of you call the KJVOs who are doing with the KJV exactly what you are trying to do with the LXX.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know what your point is, but it does raise a new question? There were obviously many streams of Hebrew documents by the time Jesus was on the earth. Which one of those were inspired? I think this takes away most of the other argument of the last paragraph above.