Liberal Church Leaders Anti-American
In the Father,
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[ December 16, 2002, 05:58 PM: Message edited by: The Squire ]
In the Father,
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[ December 16, 2002, 05:58 PM: Message edited by: The Squire ]
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That's silly? Impractical, maybe, but not silly.One Methodist bishop even suggested that better education and health care in the Middle East, courtesy of U.S. taxpayers, was the ultimate answer to anti-American feelings in the region.
Not so. In fact, according to the church's own accounts, the growth rate is declining. In 1996 the church reported a growth rate of 4.24%. In 1999, the growth rate had fallen by 44%, to 2.37%, as reported in the December 1999 issue of the official church magazine Ensign. The Seventh Day Adventists are growing faster than the Mormons.It should also be noted that the Mormons - who feed off of the same sorts of social prejudices as Christian fundamentalists - are also experiencing explosive growth.
Well, one can formulate an argument about anything. However, the last forty years of history refutes your's.As for the hundreds of millions of Americans who think that religion is the domain of half-wits and bigots - I would argue that liberal Christianity has a much better chance of communicating the gospel to them.
I think asinine would have been a better descriptor.That's silly? Impractical, maybe, but not silly.
No, that alone doesn't make them Anti-American but as the article pointed out, over the last 35 years or so, the pronouncements of their leaders have become virtually indistinguishable from those of secular left political activist groups. To say that these far left socialist activist groups aren't anti-American is to have one's head in the sand. The Democratic Party platform is virtually indistinguishable from the American Socialist Party platform. As the article pointed out, the leadership of these declining churches have a large lobby presence that they maintain in the prominent United Methodist Building on Capitol Hill. They have aligned themselves with the extremist left wing Constitution hating, big-government, high taxing, over-regulating, entitlement-establishing, unaccountable, irresponsible, gun-confiscating, totalitarian coddling, peace-at-any-price, ACLU card carrying, same-sex-marrying, unrestricted aborting, anything goes (thank you Cal Thomas) politicians in the pursuit of their utopian social gospel. This is what makes them anti-American.And being against war does not make them "Anti-American."
I don't recall reading that in the article."You must think like us or you may suffer being labeled as anti AMerican".
See... here's the problem with that...I would argue that liberal Christianity has a much better chance of communicating the gospel to them.
And those of the "religious right" are not in lockstep with secular conservatism?... the pronouncements of their leaders have become virtually indistinguishable from those of secular left political activist groups.
That is not the point of this discussion. It is not intrinsically wrong for a religious group to align itself with a political group or vice versa. The big difference here is the Religious Right is not composed of Socialist thugs who are trying their level best to subvert the Constitution, thereby destroying the freedoms that it grants us, nor are they secular humanists whom are attempting to hijack the title Christian. Thank God Bush will now have the opportunity to place federal judges in office that understand it is their constitutional mandate to interpret the law and not legislate from the bench. These Liberal Protestant Church "leaders" don't seem to "get it" that more often than not, the very things they rail so hard against are the only things that preserve their right to do so.And those of the "religious right" are not in lockstep with secular conservatism?
Let me translate for Josh again:Originally posted by Rev. Joshua:
As for the hundreds of millions of Americans who think that religion is the domain of half-wits and bigots - I would argue that liberal Christianity has a much better chance of communicating the gospel to them.
Joshua
The problem with the article is it confuses Christianity with Americanism. Two different things. Too bad the religious right can't understand the difference.... the pronouncements of their leaders have become virtually indistinguishable from those of secular left political activist groups.
Originally posted by new man:
I think this is a contradiction in terms here.Constitution hating, [snip]..., ACLU card carrying,
Just because you think some people are scum doesn't mean that they have lost their rights.
I think that we should abide by the rules of the international community to show respect for the rule of law. Only after those means have been exhausted should we move on to war. Of course, we should have been much more aggressive in the past with the measures against Iraq (not just wartime measures) so that the Iraqi people wouldn't have suffered as much. But no one wants to be the policeman, just the exectioner.
Cal-- a card carrying member of the ACLU
I didn't "blame" you with anything.New man, don't blame me. You brought this up:
Seems you may need a refresher course in American history. A good place to start is the book "America's Providential History" by Mark A. Beliles & Stephen K. McDowell. After that I would suggest reading the Declaration of Independence. In the beginning of the document the authors acknowledge the "Creator's" role in the establishment of America. At the bottom of the document it reads:The problem with the article is it confuses Christianity with Americanism.
God bless America,Ordered that the Declaration of Independence be printed; and a Copy sent to the ministers of each Parish, of every Denomination within this State; and that they severally be required to read the same to their respective congregations, as soon as Divine service is ended...
Why do I always have to disagree with you? Oh well, I guess that is what the board is for.Originally posted by Rev. Joshua:
Russ,
It should also be noted that the Mormons - who feed off of the same sorts of social prejudices as Christian fundamentalists - are also experiencing explosive growth.
In a secular society, fundamentalism offers those few who are turning to religion exactly what they are looking for.
As for the hundreds of millions of Americans who think that religion is the domain of half-wits and bigots - I would argue that liberal Christianity has a much better chance of communicating the gospel to them.
Joshua
I don't. The ACLU is largely composed of Lawyers whose motivation has been presented to the public as something good, "protecting" the people against unconstitutional activites, even as 'protectors of the Constitution.' The smoke of their Constitutional activities has covered their wholesale destruction of the FABRIC of the Republic, namely it's MORALITY, CIVILITY, and RELIGIOUS foundations. Yessiree boy! They're bonafide patriots!I think this is a contradiction in terms here.
I don't. The ACLU is largely composed of Lawyers whose motivation has been presented to the public as something good, "protecting" the people against unconstitutional activites, even as 'protectors of the Constitution.' The smoke of their Constitutional activities has covered their wholesale destruction of the FABRIC of the Republic, namely it's MORALITY, CIVILITY, and RELIGIOUS foundations. Yessiree boy! They're bonafide patriots!Originally posted by new man:
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