News: Kodak Fires Employee Over 'Coming Out' Memo

To protect them? That seems a silly notion, indeed. Do they really need protecting?

I am disturbed by the man's firing, sure. It doesn't make sense to me. But that should be the issue, not the "homosexual nonsense."

 

Who gets hurt on a boycott of a major corporation?

1.The stockholders who buy and sell regularly(mom and pop life's savings)
2.Low end employees that get laid off first as business dies down.
3.High end employees in less pay raises/bonus.
4. Other companies that supply or sell the goods of that company and all their employees.

Now let's look at who benefits and why...
The Managment and CEO continues drawing their big fat checks, and they use the opportunity to buy more stock at cheaper prices using their stock options. If anything, boycotts can help the owner make more money while hurting the rest of us.

There needs to be a different way to punish the management besides boycotting. We know that doesn't work.

 

Wasn't the "homosexual nonsense" the reason he was fired? There will soon come a day in America that taking a stand against this satanic lifestyle will result in a prison term. We had better stand now while we can.
Murph

 

Wake up America!

Whoops, I am so sorry! I shouldn't say that because I might offend someone whose views arn't the same as mine, like a communist. I think I'll just say hi to everyone instead.

Hi!

[ October 24, 2002, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: AdoptedByGod ]

 

I see your point, but it just seems that talk about protecting the employees from the homosexual nonsense is swaying from the point. The point is that a man was fired for sending a mass e-mail stating beliefes contrary to the corporate beliefs. But is it about the homosexuality or is it that he sent an e-mail contrary to the corporate beliefs and policies? I can see how it would be difficult to separate the two. But it seems that any sort of boycott would be about the man's being fired for his expression of contrary belief, not the "homosexual nonsense." Or would there be talk of a boycott even if the man hadn't been fired (or had not even sent the e-mail) and it got out that Kodak was preparing information about National Coming Out Day?

 

Prithee, what are we supposed to wake up to?

 

The liberal nightmare that consumes way too many Christians!

 

Christians these days need to wake up and smell the coffee...This Godless nation is rotting from the inside and whenever ANY Christian wants to do something, all they get is arguements...from other Christians no less...

Wake up America and take a stand for what you believe in...

LORD KNOWS the gays are uniting and taking a stand for what they believe in. A very small but vocal group of society is changing the face of corporate America, but heaven forbid a Christian suggest to boycott anything...

I'll say it again, WAKE UP SLEEPY CHRISTIANS!

[ October 24, 2002, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: AdoptedByGod ]

 

I diagree.

Shareholders are the owners of the company.

Shareholders elect the board members, who in turn hire the executives (who set up policies that go against the owners' values).

 

Rolf Szabo
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Amen!

 

AdoptedByGod:

A BIG FAT JUCY AMEN, BRO/SIS!!!!

 

"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside."
- St. Paul, 1 Corinthians 5:12-13

 

Anybody considered that the folks at Kodak are spiritually blind, spiritually deaf, spiritually dead? Anybody consider that they are haters of God who have no understanding and will not seek after God?

If these things are true, and they are, the best thing we can do is to pray for them and to find ways to share the Gospel with them. Homosexuality is an abomination, and those who practice such things will not enter the kingdom of God - nor will those who approve of such things (1 Cor. 6:9-10; Rom. 1:26-32). That does not mean it is our job to judge the lost, though, because it is not. If such a person is within the Church and claiming the name of Christ, then that person is to be judged by the Church and excommunicated. Our responsibility to the lost is to lovingly, patiently and humbly present the Gospel to them.

Rev. G

 

You're absolutely right Rev G. The Gospel will have much more effect on them than anything else.
The people at Kodak are doing what they do best- being lost.

I also think there is a fine line between judging someone and confronting them with their sin. In this case, Kodaks actions have gone so far that it doesn't even make worldly sence.

Is it ok to confront someone with a sin if you are not presenting the gospel to them? In other words, is it ok to convey to someone that you simply do not approve of thier actions? People use the "do not judge" line very often. I'm curious myself to know what the exact definition of judging someone is. Sometimes I get the feeling it's used a little too often, but I also take Jesus very literally when he says "Get the plank out of your own eye" Given we are all sinners, it must appear kinda laughable to God when we point out someone else's sin.

 

The following is taken from Focus on the Family's CitizenLink newsletter:

 

A reminder to those of us who don't think homosexuality is sinful to also use the above contact information to let Kodak know our opinions. It might be helpful for them to hear from people who approve of their stand for inclusiveness, but don't think people should be fired because of their bigotries or ignorance.

Joshua

[ October 25, 2002, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: webmaster ]

 

Let me translate:

A reminder to those of you who don't believe in the Bible and would rather rewrite Gods word to also use the above contact information to let Kodak know your opinions.

Josh, give in to the Lord. Die to self and let Christ reign in your heart.

[ October 25, 2002, 10:52 AM: Message edited by: AdoptedByGod ]

 

DATE: October 25, 2002
FROM: Jerry Falwell

COMPULSORY HOMOSEXUALITY

What's in a name? That which we call a rose

By any other name would smell as sweet. (Romeo and Juliet. Act ii. Sc. 2.)

What's in a name? If the name is diversity, it is comprised of falsehood, deceit and duplicity.

In Rochester, N.Y., WorldNetDaily has reported that a 23-year veteran of The Eastman Kodak Co. was fired solely because he objected to a pro-homosexual memo. Rolf Szabo was terminated for refusing to recant remarks officials say did not adhere to the company's so-called "Winning & Inclusive Culture" which is allegedly designed to promote "diversity."

In this present age, diversity is an alluring word that the left utilizes to camouflage its ongoing effort to silence people of faith who uphold the Judeo-Christian values that our nation embraced for nearly two centuries. This is not diversity; it is outright bigotry and intolerance disguised with an attractive (and quite meaningless) word.

There are a host of similar cases demonstrating how Judeo-Christian ideals are unfairly and dishonestly banned in the "debate" on homosexuality.

In Ann Arbor, Mich., an 18-year-old girl and her mother have sued the city public school system after the girl's religious beliefs on homosexuality were suppressed. During "Diversity Week" last March, school officials deleted references to homosexuality from the text of an address given by Betsy Hansen, a senior at Pioneer High School. The suit claims that the girl's Catholic beliefs were muted by officials who wanted no debate in the one-sided event.

Call it diversity.

In Hayward, Calif., earlier this year, high school teachers were informed they would be required to attend an in-service program focusing on "gay/lesbian/bi-sexual/transgender youth." When some teachers complained, saying their religious beliefs were violated by the program, school officials said the school district's requirement for teachers to attend trumped provisions of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, which provides broad protections for people of religious faith in the workplace.

You guessed it. Diversity.

In St. Paul, Minn., two Department of Corrections employees were reprimanded in 1998 because they silently read from their Bibles during a mandatory training session titled "Gays and Lesbians in the Workplace." (In August of this year, a federal jury found that state officials violated the free speech and equal protection rights of the employees and had discriminated against them on the basis of their religion.)

Uh huh. Diversity.

In the small town of Ferndale, Mich., a local volunteer police chaplain is facing dismissal because he has stated that he believes homosexuality is a sin. The homosexual activist group Soulforce is urging the removal of Pastor Tom Hanson from his position because it is a promotion of "spiritual violence."

Stephen Bennett, a Christian recording artist and one of the nation's leading voices of those "coming out" of homosexuality, wrote in an Agape Press commentary that the new diversity mission is part of a "calculated, planned 'homosexualization' of America by militant homosexuals."

He said, "[It] was encouraged well over a decade ago by homosexual advocates Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen in their book After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90's. Kirk and Madsen mapped out a plan to 'turn the tables' on America and switch the bigotry aimed at homosexuals - to those who would oppose them. The book plays out almost like a prophetic book of the Bible."

He continued, "Their plan came dressed up in marketing lingo: 'Desensitize, Jam and Convert.'" ('Jam' is a term meaning the smearing of anyone who disagrees with the homosexual agenda.)

We can certainly see this strategy being played out today. In Hollywood, homosexuals are routinely portrayed as gallant and courageous individuals who typically must battle against Christians who are depicted as unyielding and hateful persons attempting to force everyone to conform to their standards.

It is evident that the opposite is true.

Once again we see that perception is more powerful than the truth. As long as Hollywood and our nation's news media mindlessly allow homosexual-rights leaders to dictate how the "truth" is presented to a gullible American public, we can expect to see many more people facing similar cases of discrimination and persecution simply because they choose to honor their religious ideals.

And they will face this inequity under the dark guise of diversity.

 

"Likewise also men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them." - Romans 1:27-32

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

 

Note: This thread is for discussion about the firing of Mr. Szabo at Kodak. I deleted all posts that were not related (and as they contained personal attacks). If you wish to comment on this subject you may do so. To discuss everything else, please start another thread. Thanks.