Jesus forsaken?

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> Yes, Jesus did feel forsaken. Psalm 22 specifically says that God (the Father) did not turn His face from Jesus. Feeling forsaken is not the same as being forsaken. That is what Psalm 22 is about. And Jesus, in my opinion, quoted the first verse, to let those who knew understand that He was at that moment fulfilling all of Psalm 22. You may differ on that point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you are saying that Jesus took a verse of OT scripture out of context then. Jesus never said "My God, My God, why do I feel forsaken?" Are you saying that Jesus was saying something that wasn't true?

 

Read your last post again, you are so right. It was victorious, it was great triumth, but started with being forsaken. He was not ultimately forsaken, but forsaken none th less.
Here is what Matthew Henry wrote about the verse:

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2. How he complained of it (v. 46); About the ninth hour, when it began to clear up, after a long and silent conflict. Jesus cried, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? The words are related in the Syriac tongue, in which they were spoken, because worthy of double remark, and for the sake of the perverse construction which his enemies put upon them, in putting Elias for Eli. Now observe here,
(1.) Whence he borrowed this complaint—from Ps. 22:1. It is not probable (as some have thought) that he repeated the whole psalm; yet hereby he intimated that the whole was to be applied to him, and that David, in spirit, there spoke of his humiliation and exaltation. This, and that other word, Into thy hands I commit my spirit, he fetched from David’s psalms (though he could have expressed himself in his own words), to teach us of what use the word of God is to us, to direct us in prayer, and to recommend to us the use of scripture-expressions in prayer, which will help our infirmities.
(2.) How he uttered it—with a loud voice; which bespeaks the extremity of his pain and anguish, the strength of nature remaining in him, and the great earnestness of his spirit in this expostulation. Now the scripture was fulfilled (Joel 3:15, 16); The sun and the moon shall be darkened. The Lord shall also roar out of Zion, and utter his voice form Jerusalem. David often speaks of his crying aloud in prayer, Ps. 55:17.
(3.) What the complaint was—My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? A strange complaint to come from the mouth of our Lord Jesus, who, we are sure, was God’s elect, in whom his soul delighted (Isa. 42:1), and one in whom he was always well pleased. The Father now loved him, nay, he knew that therefore he loved him, because he laid down his life for the sheep; what, and yet forsaken of him, and in the midst of his sufferings too! Surely never sorrow was like unto that sorrow which extorted such a complaint as this from one who, being perfectly free from sin, could never be a terror to himself; but the heart knows its own bitterness. No wonder that such a complaint as this made the earth to quake, and rent the rocks; for it is enough to make both the ears of every one that hears it to tingle, and ought to be spoken of with great reverence.
Note, [1.] That our Lord Jesus was, in his sufferings, for a time, forsaken by his Father. So he saith himself, who we are sure was under no mistake concerning his own case. Not that the union between the divine and human nature was in the least weakened or shocked; no, he was now by the eternal Spirit offering himself: nor as if there were any abatement of his Father’s love to him, or his to his Father; we are sure that there was upon his mind no horror of God, or despair of his favour, nor any thing of the torments of hell; but his Father forsook him; that is, First, He delivered him up into the hands of his enemies, and did not appear to deliver him out of their hands. He let loose the powers of darkness against him, and suffered them to do their worst, worse than against Job. Now was that scripture fulfilled (Job 16:11), God hath turned me over into the hands of the wicked; and no angel is sent from heaven to deliver him, no friend on earth raised up to appear for him. Secondly, He withdrew from him the present comfortable sense of his complacency in him. When his soul was first troubled, he had a voice from heaven to comfort him (Jn. 12:27, 28); when he was in his agony in the garden, there appeared an angel from heaven strengthening him; but now he had neither the one nor the other. God hid his face from him, and for awhile withdrew his rod and staff in the darksome valley. God forsook him, not as he forsook Saul, leaving him to an endless despair, but as sometimes he forsook David, leaving him to a present despondency. Thirdly, He let out upon his soul an afflicting sense of his wrath against man for sin. Christ was made Sin for us, a Curse for us; and therefore, though God loved him as a Son, he frowned upon him as a Surety. These impressions he was pleased to admit, and to waive that resistance of them which he could have made; because he would accommodate himself to this part of his undertaking, as he had done to all the rest, when it was in his power to have avoided it.
[2.] That Christ’s being forsaken of his Father was the most grievous of his sufferings, and that which he complained most of. Here he laid the most doleful accents; he did not say, "Why am I scourged? And why spit upon? And why nailed to the cross?’’ Nor did he say to his disciples, when they turned their back upon him, Why have ye forsaken me? But when his Father stood at a distance, he cried out thus; for this as it that put wormwood and gall into the affliction and misery. This brought the waters into the soul, Ps. 69:1-3.
[3.] That our Lord Jesus, even when he was thus forsaken of his Father, kept hold of him as his God, notwithstanding; My God, my God; though forsaking me, yet mine. Christ was God’s servant in carrying on the work of redemption, to him he was to make satisfaction, and by him to be carried through and crowned, and upon that account he calls him his God; for he was now doing his will. See Isa. 49:5-9. This supported him, and bore him up, that even in the depth of his sufferings God was his God, and this he resolves to keep fast hold of.
Henry, Matthew, Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Bible, (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers) 1991. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

 

qwerty said, "Jesus may have felt forsaken, but the Father did not forsake or turn away from Jesus."

That's not what the scriptures tell us. You are the one who isn't applying understanding. Jesus said, "Why hast thou forsaken me?" Your denial is claiming Jesus was wrong. Jesus didn't just feel it or think it. Jesus is omniscient, you know, all knowing. He KNEW God had forsaken Him, or He wouldn't have asked God why He did.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? (a quotation of Ps. 22:1) Jesus sensed a separation from the Father He had never known, for in becoming sin the Father had to turn judicially from His Son (Rom. 3:25-26). - Walvoord, J. F. (1983-c1985). The Bible knowledge commentary : An exposition of the scriptures (Mt 27:45). Wheaton, IL: Victor Books.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

 

Interesting stuff...I never liked the idea that God turned his back on Jesus, who was Go d Incarnate. I am not taking a position, but the whole God turned his back thing...take with a grain. Did Jesus know he had to die on the cross? Then why did he ask the Father over and over to take this cup from him? Was there a chance that there was some other way to redeem mankind?

Anyway, here is an interesting thought that this has brought up with me. If God cannot look on evil or sin, which is the basis for the statement being used that He turned His back on Jesus. Using the same logic, is God's back turned on the lost today, or was it turned on all those before Jesus, who truly had iniquity?

Was God the Father Son and Holy Spirit EVER seperated? Where the Father and Son, God Incarnate ever truly seperated? Just throwing out some thoughts, no loaded gun here.