Some Basic Info On John Calvin

Truth is determined by a nose-count? Get real. But then,you never get real. You get ultra-fake. And you persist with lies,misrepresentations and ungodly conduct for which your comments have to be deleted on a regular basis.

 

History of the Great Reformation of the Sixteenth Century (Vol3)by J.H. Merle D'Aubigne:

"The calumnious and extrqavagant tales which have been circulated in regard to the person of John Calvin...These absurdities and others of the same stamp,which have been invented to the prejudice of the Reformer may be safely left to refute themselves without any effort on our part. In our own day,those among the Romish doctors who are not ashamed to employ the weapons of calumny,make a selection of these coarse and ridiculous stories..." 9page 489)

 

The Reformation :A narrative history related by contemporary observers and participants by Hans J. Hillerbrand (1964)


The author deals with Jacques Gruet. He quotes Calvin:"A note was found in a pulpit. It threatened us with death if we would not keep silent. I am sending you a copy. The council was perturbed by such audacity and ordered a strict investigatiion of the conspiracy..."

On 26th July 1547 sentence was passed against Gruet:

We Syndics and Judges of criminal matters of this city of Geneva,having heard the case against you,Jacques Gruet,son of Humbert Gruet of Geneva...find and hold that you have greatly offended and blasphemed God,transgressed against the Holy Scriptures and also undertaken matters against the authorities,insulted,threatened and slandered the servants of God and committed the crime of lese-majeste requiring bodily punishment...We condemn you,Jacques Gruit,to be taken to Champel and there have your body attached to a stake and burned to ashes and so you shall finish your days to give an example to thers who would commit the like. (page 200)

 

Hmm...you are speaking of Hans J. Hillerbrand? He has been described as "a recognized expert on the Reformation...was the editor in chief of the Oxford Encyclopedia of the Reformation...former president of both the American Academy of Religion and the American Society of Church History." But you want his works to be seen as misinformation and lies? And you say I have no honor? You have a big disconnect S/N.

 

Sat/Nep 3/12/2012 8:04 PM

"Over time,I have gained more respect for Calvin the man. First of all,we really do not know exactly what happened in detail between Servetus,calvin and the state. We tend to compare what seems to be an outrageous act with the way our culture is today. Things were very different back then. Religion and state were very close if not the same.

Like everyone else,he was a flawed human being. The point is,compared with me,the man contributed to an understanding of Scripture that I will never begin to achieve,so who am I to criticize?"

 

:laugh: I still am able to produce more solid evidence that Sat/Nep is against himself. The subject of Calvin troubles your inner self as you have said.

 

You have a revolving-door when it comes to "changing your mind." Your quote was made a bare 14 months ago. Shortly before that you were sending nastygrams about the man of Geneva. After March of 2012 you started up again in your hate-Calvin campaign. You go back and forth. Pretty unstable mind there.

Of course it does. You have done all you can to besmirch his name. Be honest for once.

Shall I list all the names you have called me over the years? I don't think any biblical injunction would restrict you in the least. But you have used the very same words in your last line with another poster. You can bad-mouth with the best of em' S/N.

 

From your post #9 :"That goes right along with the character of Calvin."

Sat/Nep vs. Sat/Nep...yet again!

 

The Bible forbids a number of things that you freely engage in here on the BB. You lie and slander at will. You defame and demean at the drop of a hat. No,I really don't think what the Bible forbids hinders you in the least.