Sin might become exceeedly Sinful

I agree pioneer, this board is a haven for those who despise the truth and love sin.

Just speak out against some pet sin and you are condemned as a "legalist." Defend sin and you are an open minded something or other with a sweet spirit.

My Bible teaches that if we love sinners we will admonish them of their sin. Christ didn't become the Lamb of God so that we could have the freedom to wallow in the filth of this world.

Yes, he went among sinners, and when he did, he did not say, go you have freedom to sin. NO! NO! NO! He often said "Go, and sin no more" Quite different than what is taught here.
Matthew 18 and 1 Corinthians 5 instruct us to correct a brother so that his life might amount to something for the Lord. God wants pure vessels for his service, not garbage cans filled with the trash of this world.

[ September 22, 2002, 09:53 AM: Message edited by: Ernie Brazee ]

 

Maybe it isn't what you two say, but the hateful, vile way you say it.

 

The only thing vile and hateful is someone who fails to cry out against that which dipleases a holy righteous God

 

Job 4:3-11
3. See, you have instructed many;
you have strengthened the weak hands.
4. Your words have supported those who were stumbling,
and you have made firm the feeble knees.
5. But now it has come to you, and you are impatient;
it touches you, and you are dismayed.
6. Is not your fear of God your confidence,
and the integrity of your ways your hope?
7. "Think now, who that was innocent ever perished?
Or where were the upright cut off?
8. As I have seen, those who plow iniquity
and sow trouble reap the same.
9. By the breath of God they perish,
and by the blast of his anger they are consumed.
10. The roar of the lion, the voice of the fierce lion,
and the teeth of the young lions are broken.
11. The strong lion perishes for lack of prey,
and the whelps of the lioness are scattered.

 

Hmmm... Post-It, another passage of scripture comes to mind...

Psalm 50:16-23
16 But to the wicked God says:
“What right have you to declare My statutes,
Or take My covenant in your mouth,
17 Seeing you hate instruction
And cast My words behind you?
18 When you saw a thief, you consented with him,
And have been a partaker with adulterers.
19 You give your mouth to evil,
And your tongue frames deceit.
20 You sit and speak against your brother;
You slander your own mother’s son.
21 These things you have done, and I kept silent;
You thought that I was altogether like you;
But I will rebuke you,
And set them in order before your eyes.

22 “Now consider this, you who forget God,
Lest I tear you in pieces,
And there be none to deliver:
23 Whoever offers praise glorifies Me;
And to him who orders his conduct aright
I will show the salvation of God.”

Scott Krippayne sings: "But the gospel can be a hammer, in the hands of those who judge,
when I'm tempted to condemn, help me respond with words of love..."

It sounds to me like Pioneer is hurting because he sees the gospel of Christ dragged through
the mud at times. It hurts me too.

Pioneer, keep the faith, count it all joy that the trying of your faith works patience. My prayer for you is Jude 20-25.
...John 15

 

I also agree with Pioneer, I believe we are to address sin when we see it and when we don't we are compromsing the Word. We should be hurt and take offence when the Word is compromised.

 

The only thing I wish to say is Romans 1: 26-32 . Is not the Word the same today as yesterday!

Sherrie

[ September 23, 2002, 12:26 AM: Message edited by: Sherrie ]

 

Originally posted by Ernie Brazee:
I agree pioneer, this board is a haven for those who despise the truth and love sin.

I disagree Ernie There are
many christians on this board that stand for the truth, and hate sin. There are many on this board who are seasoned christians and encourage many people.
I happen to love and respect many that are here on this board.
To make a statement that this is a haven
for those who despise the truth and love sin is not the truth.
Do you really believe that it is?
Naomi

 

Ernie, you've got to be kidding, who on this board has ever said they "love sin" and "despise truth"? And you say this board is a HAVEN for such people? Show us one post which makes these claims.

I have yet to hear anyone say we should love to sin and enjoy it. I have yet to see any post claiming that they hate and shun truth.

What it boils down to is you fear people who don't buy into "your" truth; who don't follow your rules as personally gleened from scripture and tradition. You fear others when they don't follow your interpretation of scripture.

You are assuming you are 100% perfect in your understanding and interpretation. You're just an everyday imperfect human like the rest of us Ernie, not God.

[ September 23, 2002, 01:59 AM: Message edited by: post-it ]

 

I'm in Pioneer & Ernie's corner--although Ernie's "mug shot" looks like something he copied from the post office customer's table!!! Ha, Ha, Ernie! Just a joke there!

Keep posting, Pioneer! This site needs more of you! The only way to shut the mouths of the Homosexual and their supporters is to keep posting! Keep talking! If you leave--they'll take your place on the board and fill it with more uglyness--and then some lost person whos surfing happens to "wash ashore" here and starts reading--and your posts ain't here--he'll say, "Wow! Those silly Baptist condone my filth and corruption of both my body and mind!" and they'll move their dad-blame membership(join the board under cover name using Baptist as a front!)

Don't quit!

Your friend,
Blackbird

 

"Jerimiah" is still being thrown into the dungeon for doing what God told him to do. Here on the BB we have alot of people who want to plant and to build without tearing down, rooting out and destroying like the LORD TOLD HIM TO DO. The planting can't happen without running a blade through the DIRT. I am glad most of the liberal voices on the board aren't farmers trying to feed their families the same way they tout their theology. We would need a huge welfare system to take care of everybody who couldn't handle the plow.

 

Gentlemen!

I did not like how you blew right over me as though I did not post here.

I cannot defend homosexuality when the Bible...Gods words....clearly makes a statement in Romans 1: 26-32.

Now I stated fact, and yet neither side has anything to say. Only makes me think you just want to argue!

Sherrie

 

Like it or not, baptists are nt defined by adherence to any particular stand on homosexuality.

Should we toerate the sin? No. Should we sit idly by as the sin is promoted? No.

In fact I think this is the ideal place for folks like post, for here they are surrounded by people who will stand for scripture and lurkers will see what the Scriptures teach we should react to sin.

if we kick these folks out, then they'l go elsewhere, possby to a place where no one is present to stand for truth.

So keep them here, where ther are people who are prepared to give an answer.

But let us keep in mind that our answer must be full of grace as well as seasoned with salt.

 

Sherrie, this passage has already been shown that Paul is speaking of an Idol worshipping group. The list of sin items are things they will be found doing. Of course, you can see Christians guilty of some of these things too, but that isn't Paul's point. He is talking about a group that is growing in strength and taking Christians into their Idol Worship. This is a warning not to join them in their Idol worship.

We see further understanding when Paul lists "debate" as one of their sins. This could be referring to debates they have with Christians to convert them to a false God. Therefore, it is a sin in this case, while debate isn't a sin in other cases.

This list is not yolked onto Christians who maintain their walk with Christ.

 

Sister Sherrie,
Saw your post and I'm sorry I ran over you if I did. In fact, I read most all of your posts as well as many of the other women--GrannyGumbo, Helen, etc. You ladies seem to be on the Conservative side and I thank you for that! My wife reads a few of the many posts and says it is complete foolishness--all of the arguing going on--but, hey! Keep posting and I'll keep reading!

Meanwhile, about this topic of Homosexuals--God help us, its just sick perversion. Keep typing the truth!

Your friend,
Blackbird

 

I agree with Pioneer, Ernie, Sherrie, Mrs. KJV and others on the subject of homosexuality - I believe it is a sin. We should teach that it is wrong, sinful, and harmful because that it what the Bible teaches.

But I do not agree with some of you on how this board should be administered. This is not a church, it is a discussion board! It is not a fundamental Baptist discussion board, not a Primitive Baptist discussion board, not a Southern Baptist discussion board, etc. - but it is a Baptist discussion board. As such it invites DISCUSSION from all Baptists. Anyone who does not like that is not forced to come here nor to stay here. A lot of the Baptists who post here could not be members of my church and probably could not be members of your church, but that is not what is under consideration in this topic. If you do not like the theology being presented, answer it with scripture. Homosexuality can be addressed and refuted as sin using the scripture. But to say that the board is a "hangout for queers" and a "haven for those who despise the truth" is just an exaggeration of the facts. The bottom line is that this is a Baptist Board. It is a hard pill to swallow, but some Baptists may be heretical and may not deserve the name, but they are Baptists nonetheless. A lot of people decry the current trend of Baptist churches to drop "Baptist" off of the church name. I say the more the merrier! If they are more comfortable not being called Baptists, I am much more comfortable with them not being called Baptists as well.

[ September 23, 2002, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: rlvaughn ]

 

PI: It truly amazes me what you can make your mind do, how you can twist it to fit your desires.

The passage below CLEARLY states that these people knew God, turned away and fell into evil desires (homosexuality is listed as one of them). What is this saying? It says that homosexuality is a sin, an evil desire, just as idol worship, other sexual impurities, greed, murder, strife, envy.

Post-it, you have no position, nor do you have problem with people on this board. You have a problem with God and his word. Just so long as you know.

This is so pathetic it is maddening. So, Christians that 'walk with Christ' are free to murder? Envy? Have greed? Involve themselves in other forms of sexual impurity? Slander? Decieve? What on earth are you saying? It doesn't make sense.

I implore you...think...especially before you post.

In Christ,
jason

 

The Holy Spirit writing through the apostle Paul in Romans 1:22 says, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools". Later he writes, "25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator".

It would seem that if idol worship is going on here, it is the worship of men (creature) who have denied the scriptures and claimed themselves to be wise. Whatever they say is good is good, not what God says. IF you want to claim idol worship, it is the worship of those who taught not the Word of God, but the changable word of man to fit their own desires.

 

Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

These are "image" idols. The act of homosexual sex was also a common way of worship. Homosexual sex is characterized by these people only, not others, just this group who at one time worshipped the True God, but later turned to false Gods. They used various Images including some variation of man etc. I sounds very similar to Greek Gods.