Description of Millenium - We are not in it now!

My only question is;if we are in the millenium now then where exactly is Christ? Is He not,according to Scriptures be ruling and reigning with a rod of iron during this time? Brutus

 

I want to pose one question here... Is not the church called the Kingdom of God?... If not why did John say repent for the Kingdom Of God is at hand... At hand means just around the corner.

If Christ is not reigning in your church at this time I suggest you find another one where he is? Christ is also reigning in all his blood bought children... Christ in you the hope of glory. There are so many views on this that it coincides with the debate on the trinity as there is no concrete answer... just what we read into it or get out of it.

Also remember that a thousand years is as a day in the eyes of God and a day as a thousand years. Is the 1,000 years spoken really a thousand years and if it is then we should take it when it was first written then go from there to 1,000 years? How can you say Christ will sit on his throne when he is sitting on it now? The JWs believe in a reigning Christ sitting on a throne on the earth. Last time I checked I was a Primitive Baptist.

If Christ is not reigning in his Kingdom now why are we called Kings and Priests unto God and made to sit in heavenly places? Why are the scriptures written to the child of God who are his servants and subjects in the Kingdom of God the church the ecclesia the called out.

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write... And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write... And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write... And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write... And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write... And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write... And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write... From all these churches is this admonishion... He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

When I go to church every Sunday we sing... pray... and preach from the written word of God to our heavenly father thanking him for his blessed Son Jesus Christ and the Lord Jesus for setting up his glorious kingdom the church. Where I offer up my sacrifice of thanksgiving and wait for his glorious return where I will meet him in the air... Where he will take me to the home prepared for me and all his children. He will reign in heaven NEVER on the earth... IMHO!... Brother Glen

[ October 10, 2002, 05:56 PM: Message edited by: tyndale1946 ]

 

Christ is reigning right now, in heaven. Mention of the "rod of iron" is mentioned 4 places in scripture, and they all appear to be referring to a quick destruction at his return, not an long drawn out activity.

 

The local Church is the embassy of the kingdom of God. Christ rules and reigns behind its walls not in the Council of the United Nations.

After He returns, then what they say and don't understand shall come to pass...

Isaiah 2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

When He reigns supreme there will be no more war (not even on the BB )

"Occupy till I come".

HankD

[ October 10, 2002, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: HankD ]

 

Glen, the only problem with your position is that the Scripture does not affirm your doctrine.

Consider Revelation 5:9-10 which is undisputable a scene from heaven:

"You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals; for You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, And have made us kings and priests to our God; and we shall reign on the earth ."

The Bible could not be clearer. Those in heaven say that they will reign on the earth.

Glen, are you reigning on the earth?

This is quite different from the promises of suffering and persecution we read for the church.

 

Preach the word said:

... The church is the pillar and ground of the truth and each and everyone one of God children make it up. It is spiritual not seen by the natural eye but the spiritual eye.

You didn't see it until you were born again and were made to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. You know Preach The Word instead of me rambling on I will let the oldest song still in use by an American Timothy Dwight written in 1800 speak... Brother Glen

I love Thy kingdom, Lord,
The house of Thine abode,
The church our blessed Redeemer saved
With His own precious blood.

I love Thy church, O God.
Her walls before Thee stand,
Dear as the apple of Thine eye,
And written on Thy hand.

For her my tears shall fall
For her my prayers ascend,
To her my cares and toils be given
Till toils and cares shall end.

Beyond my highest joy
I prize her heavenly ways,
Her sweet communion, solemn vows,
Her hymns of love and praise.

Jesus, Thou Friend divine,
Our Savior and our King,
Thy hand from every snare and foe
Shall great deliverance bring.

Sure as Thy truth shall last,
To Zion shall be given
The brightest glories earth can yield
And brighter bliss of heaven.

[ October 12, 2002, 06:37 PM: Message edited by: tyndale1946 ]

 

Tyndale, I gave a passage out of Revelation which according to you was all (if not mostly fulfilled) with the destruction of Jerusalem.

In chapter 5:9-10, the saints specifically say they will reign on the earth. Why do you, your preterist friends, amills and postmills ignore such explicit statements? Deal with the text. I don't get my theology from a songbook. Therefore, I really don't care what the song is about. It surely does not decide my eschatological view. I stick with the Word. You should also.

 

... The church is the pillar and ground of the truth and each and everyone one of God children make it up. It is spiritual not seen by the natural eye but the spiritual eye.

You didn't see it until you were born again and were made to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. You know Preach The Word instead of me rambling on I will let the oldest song still in use by an American Timothy Dwight written in 1800 speak... Brother Glen

I love Thy kingdom, Lord,
The house of Thine abode,
The church our blessed Redeemer saved
With His own precious blood.

I love Thy church, O God.
Her walls before Thee stand,
Dear as the apple of Thine eye,
And written on Thy hand.

For her my tears shall fall
For her my prayers ascend,
To her my cares and toils be given
Till toils and cares shall end.

Beyond my highest joy
I prize her heavenly ways,
Her sweet communion, solemn vows,
Her hymns of love and praise.

Jesus, Thou Friend divine,
Our Savior and our King,
Thy hand from every snare and foe
Shall great deliverance bring.

Sure as Thy truth shall last,
To Zion shall be given
The brightest glories earth can yield
And brighter bliss of heaven.</font>[/QUOTE]Once again I find myself in agreement with you Brother Glen…. Christ is indeed reigning as we speak… This is not a natural kingdom, but a spiritual one… Just as people looked for Christ to reign “by force” the first time he came, it looks like they’re at it again…. Once again they’re looking for a battle of force so that Christ may reign…. This is a dangerous doctrine, to teach that someone will have a thousand years to repent, after Christ’ coming, is unscriptural to say the least… This is a lie from Satan’s bag of deceptions… God is not a respecter of persons, if he gave someone a second chance in a millennial period, then he would have to repent for not giving those that have died in their sins a second chance…

 

I would like to ask when God betrayed Israel by deciding not to fulfill His promises to them? The Millennium is essential in order that the promises made to the Jew can be fulfilled. God cannot lie and God made covenants with Israel dependent on HIS behaviour, not theirs. God may allow Israel's present and past rebellions to suspend His plan, but He cannot and will not allow it to thwart His plan.

The church and Israel are different and as such one cannot claim the promises of the other. To me it is a great insult to God to claim that the Kingdom of God is simply within me. The Kingdom of God will be the time when He RULES and REIGNS over the entire creation seated on the throne of David!