Preachers and Restaurants

Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to him whose life is bitter. Let him drink and forget his poverty And remember his trouble no more. -- Proverbs 31:6-7

 

God help us, it's a figure of speech! When I say that you can't hold a gun on me to make me drink that junk--I mean, there's not a person on this board whos big enough to make me do it! The sun can't shine hot enough to create a thirst in me for it! There's not a Delilah around that is pretty enough to coax this Samson into drinking it.

My mom had another name for alcohol--I can't say it on the board without a moderator getting mad at me and telling me I can't say that word anymore--lessen I make some cotton-pickin' liberal baptist mad at me!! Ole Brother Joshua can have all the mar-tee-nees he can foolishly consume--anything you guys can do with a beer in your hands I can do ten times better without one in my hand!

 

This verse doesn't describe any Christians I know. In times like these I would turn to:
Prov 3:5 "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths."

 

Sermon done and proofed. Time for a bried reply.

Never had a martini, although I have a colleague whose wife loves them. Gin & vermouth? Vodka & vermouth? Vermouth & something I'm pretty sure.

Margaritas, now that's another story. Ahhhhhh...

As a side note, let's try to keep this thread on topic. We've been down the "Is alcohol a sin" road a dozen times (Clint will surely provide the links). The question is clergy in restaurants (not bars mind you) that serve alcohol.

Joshua

 

Yes, you would do what virtually any Bible-believer does... flaunt what passages you agree with and downplay those you don't.

 

1Thess. 5:22 "Abstain from all appearance of evil."

Good, I agree drinking in excess is wrong.

Prov. 20:1 "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."

Really? Let's see what Jesus Christ has to say shall we? "For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." Matthew 26:29

Either these two statements conflict and the Bible is wrong (in which case we are all in serious trouble) or you are misunderstanding what this passage speaks to.

"If you are thinking you can drink in moderation and it not affect you. You are undoubtedly deceived."

Absolutely. I agree it does. In fact, medical science shows that drinking two glasses of wine a day increases your health.

"Prov. 23:31 "Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.
34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.
35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again ."

Again are we not talking about drinking in excess by verse 35? At most we could possibly twist this scripture enough to say that red wine is bad.

"That, my friend, is bondage."

That, my friend, is your opinion by trying to apply it to all drinking. Or maybe all scripture is not inspired and Paul never should have suggested drinking wine.

What the parents do in moderation, the children tend to do in excess.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Prove it. This is an overgeneralization and stereotype at best.

Bro. Adam

 

HELLO!!!!

Thank you very much, TFisher. Wake up and smell the coffee, folks.

 

I personally have no problem with going into a restaurant that serves alchoholic beverages. I do not see how it can be any different than shopping at a grocery store that sells alchohol or gassing up my car at a convenience store that sells liquor. Paul said that if we were to seperate from every type of evil influence, we would have to go out of the world entirely. I am not supporting the alchohol by being in a restaurant that has it any more than I am supporting it by being in a grocery store that has it. Oh, and Pastor Bob from Xenia, pay no attention to Joshua. He is our resident flaming liberal!

 

FundamentalDan,

That last sentence is so true, true, true. Some folks will make "Light" and "Sport" of drinking alcohol--and then they'll turn right around and say something like, "Ya'll listen to this sermon I just got through writing!"

 

Blackbird,

For every 1 fundamentalist who doesn't take my Christian commitment seriously because I have the very occasional margarita or glass of wine with my supper, I'm willing to bet there are 20 - maybe even 50 - people who do or who don't consider it relevant.

If you don't like discussing sermons, don't hang out in that forum.

Joshua

 

I will end this discussion with another truth that I try to submit to whenever God gives me the grace.

1Tim. 6:4 "He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings," {proud: or, a fool}

2Tim. 2:23 "But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes."

 

Thanx a bunch for stopping your doting of questions and strifes of words, and on and on... but I will believe you have "ended this discussion" when I see it.

 

My husband(a pastor) and I do go to resturants that serve alcohol sometimes. Red Lobster is a great place to eat. I am fine with it as long as it is not an actual bar and people are behaving in a proper manner. I don't feel that it's much different than going to a store that sells beer. We go to resturants where people smoke and that is more harm to us than someone drinking at a table next to us. I say that it depends on the person themself. If you feel uncomfortable then don't go but otherwise happy eating. ~Sheila~