Babies in Hell?

I can't believe this thread is still open after 2 years! Amazing, simply amazing!

 

I can't believe the vote. Its astonishing!!

BBob,:tear:

 

Matthew, Mark and Luke affirm this in Jesus' own words.

Mark 10:13-16
13And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.
14But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
15Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
16And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.

For of such is the kingdom of God. Of is the key word here. A child loves unconditionally and that is what Christ looks for in all of us. We are to love God unconditionally and that is the heart of a child.

On the day we will face Judgment whether at the Seat of Christ or at the Great White Throne. Upon that day, depending upon which judgment, the reward is given as a crown of life or a banishment into utter darkness and fire. The JSoC is where the Saints will appear and the GWT is where the rebellious will appear. At the GWT the lost are judged according to their life's book.
Revelation 20:11-15
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

An infant's story is written as only one chapter with one sentence. (I was conceived and then God allowed my life to be taken before I was born. Or I was born and God took me by sickness).

Their life story can't help but be a confession of God's hand on their life. Is that not what our confession will be at the Judgment seat of Christ? I was born in iniquity and yet Christ died that I might live. A confession of complete unconditional trust in Jesus for eternal life. :godisgood:

 

Reading through this thread, if found this quote by Helen. (We miss you :wavey: )
This is my view exactly.
I can't believe the vote either Bro. Bob :tear: .

 

How can someone who is incapable mentally to make a decision be held responsible for anything? Babies do not reason and think as older people do. They are "safe" until they do become capable of deciding to accept or reject Jesus.

Since baptism doesn't save anyone, baptizing babies is senseless. Even if baptism did save, babies wouldn't need it since we serve a loving God who would not condemn innocent babies.

 

Between The Times » Blog Archive » Why We Believe Children Who Die Go to Heaven

A Biblical analysis by Danny Akin, president of Southeastern Seminary, and Al Mohler, Jr., president of Southern Seminary. (Both Southern Baptist seminaries in the U.S.)

 

I voted No and agree with most of the substantiation, including this one:

Deuteronomy 1:39 (New American Standard Bible)

39'Moreover, your little ones who you said would become a prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it

 

Curious how anyone holding to augustinian original sin can vote no? How?

 

A person is not culpable if the curse is not manifested.

 

This doens't make sense if we are created sinners. From conception the curse would have to be manifested.

I agree with the notion the curse does not fall on fetuses / newborns, btw. They are not sinners until they sin.

 

This too is my view :thumbs:

Whatever happened to Helen?

 

I believe it. I don't like it, I just beleive it.

One problem I have found out by poll: There is a rather large group of people who are anti-OSAS and pro-post-tribulation resurrection/rapture ONLY (in other words the Universal Church will go THRU the Tribullation). This means that if you are saved and take the Mark of the Beast and get your head chopped off (or die as will some 84% of the Earth's Population in the plagues, wars, famine) -- if you are saved but take the Mark of the Beast - you will die and go to hell without posibility of repreive. Remember the four horsemen of the Revelation are death, plague, war, famine (bolded in the above sentence to remind us that we are talking scripture here - though in summary form.)

Every think I know about God leads me to believe that God is ALWAYS FAIR. Several million years from now we will all agree that God was fair and did the right things about babies and the heaven/hell split.

 

"While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

We are born sinners, but those that cannot manifest the curse and willfully sin so as to be convicted of their own sin, respond to the outward call and repent, God has mercifully elected and applied the death of Christ to their original sin burden.

 

Awesome!

:thumbs:

 

Yes, we all die...physical death. But a child must reach the age of accountability and be aware of the question so that they can accept or reject Christ. Remember folks, that is the only unforgivable sin. So if you don't have the ability to reject or accept, God is not going to hold you accountable.

It is only logical. Rejecting salvation is the only unpardonable sin. Being born with a sin nature means physical death is imminent. Rejecting Christ will mean separation from God for eternity.

 

No way, Jose.

 

First off, that verse is not saying we are born sinners.

Second, if we are born sinners, God does NOT mercifully apply the death (and resurrection) of Christ to that sinner apart from faith. Claiming He has done just that is another dispensation of salvation, hence another gospel.

 

So you think Jesus lied to the Lawyer?

Luk 10:25 And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
Luk 10:26 He said to him, "What is written in the Law? How do you read it?"
Luk 10:27 And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself."
Luk 10:28 And he said to him, "You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live."

Babies are sinful. They are corrupted. Yet because they have kept the commandments, the blood of Christ cleanses their "sin nature" ala the Old covenant. God made a promise to all who would keep His commandments. And He cannot break it.

This is the ONLY way, that Christ gets the Glory for saving all of humanity. If Babies are NOT born sinful, then the either the VAST majority of people in Heaven will NOT be praising Christ for saving them throughout all eternity (which would contradict scripture), or accordingly with "free will" beliefs, ALL babies go to Hell, because they cannot have faith in Christ.

Only a baby that is born sinful, yet saved by Christs blood in accordance with the promise of God Himself, makes sense in light of scripture. This would mean ALL babies would end up in Heaven, and that they would still sing praises to Christ for there redemption.

 

Such a tired old line. Everyone who disagrees with someone else's interpretation thinks God is a liar.

How do babies keep the commandments? And if they could keep them, they would be saved by works and not grace.

That is not "free will" beliefs.

 

Jeremiah 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:


Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.​