Obey Father and Mother even when they are wrong

Grant,

Congratulations!!! If it weren't for the 800 miles between me and Starkville, I'd absolutely be there!

Anyway, if you sense cheering in the distance, it's not just the angels ... it's me, too! Welcome home!

Mark

 

Grant,

Woo hoo! I'm going to be joining the Church in April! I'm so happy for you, and I'll be praying for you!

Emily

 

Thanks all - your prayers are always appreciated!

God bless you,

Grant

 

Good to see you haven't changed ...

 

I think you need to go back and first learn what Catholicism is all about and stop parading your parents faith around as if they are in some kind of error when it is you that are in error thinking you can judge the faith and soul of another.

What you seem to admit to knowing even less of is your Mom and Dad. Based on all you know of your obviously devoted parents do you really believe that they or any of us that are practicing Catholics are not going to be saved because we are Catholic and not Baptist?

 

I'll be praying for you Grant, also for Emily.

Nimrod, love covereth a multitude of sins. I never had the problem that you have, but when the Lord saved me, my parents were lost. I would come over and they would be watching movies with profanity. My dad would curse, using G.D., etc. The best advice I can give you is "let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father which is in Heaven." That was my witness to them while respectfully disagreeing with their life. To the glory of my Father in Heaven, my dad was saved in December of 2001 and my mom "rededicated" her life to Christ. Both have been attending Church faithfully and have even started handing out tracts. The greatest testimony is the life lived. Love your mom and dad to Christ. Never doubt the power of prayer either, prayer to God in the name of Jesus that is. I don't want anyone thinking that the rosary prayer or prayer to "saints" is the same as to God.

 

I can't believe no Catholic has told Nimrod he is going to burn for leaving the mother church. I mean, that is Catechismal teaching right? Isn't he eternally damned for this sin against the "holy see"?

It doesn't matter what organization, religion, denomination, cult, sect, assembly, etc. you are in. If you are not a child of God, you will not see the Kingdom of God. By the way, I am already saved, not "going to be".

Nimrod, this is the official vatican website: www.vatican.va I've learned a lot from it. Take the teachings directly from the horses mouth. The Light of Truth will always shine forth through the darkness.

 

I can't believe no Catholic has told Nimrod he is going to burn for leaving the mother church. I mean, that is Catechismal teaching right? Isn't he eternally damned for this sin against the "holy see"?

It doesn't matter what organization, religion, denomination, cult, sect, assembly, etc. you are in. If you are not a child of God, you will not see the Kingdom of God. By the way, I am already saved, not "going to be".

Nimrod, this is the official vatican website: www.vatican.va I've learned a lot from it. Take the teachings directly from the horses mouth. The Light of Truth will always shine forth through the darkness. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]What the heck???

We haven't said that to him because it's not something the Catholicism teaches.

Of course it's not true and I would not even waste the time to defend the preposterous claims that your ignorant, anti catholic mind suggests.

Nimrod,

LEARN the truth, you owe it to your parents to at least learn the REAL truth and not the anti-Catholic rhetoric you have been and are being fed. Here is the site were you can read the truth from the horses mouth. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/3543/

Do you think that your parents raised you this way because they want you to be condemned? Do you think your parents remain this way because they want to be condemned? Stop being ridiculously foolish and LEARN the faith and not the rhetoric and the false lies and the myths and the hate that you are falling for.

Give your parents more credit than that, please. I can only tell you that you believe false things pertaining to your parents’ belief. If you want to be not Catholic then fine but don’t tell your parents that they are wrong for choosing to remain Catholic.

 

Actually Nimrod the Vatican site that you were provided is a good site, due read it and ASK question about what you don't understand, DON'T turn to a anti catholic to interpret what Catholics believe, ask a Catholic what we believe, okay.

 

Is it a sin to obey your parents and disobey God and His Word? Or is it a sin to disobey parents so you can obey God and His Word? Where do we draw the line on "Obey thy Father and Mother"?
It's only a sin to obey your parents if they instruct you to do something that is clearly immoral. That doesn't appear to be the case.

Some say as long as I live at home, I should obey my parents. When I live on my own, I should obey God.
Let's look at it this way. Let's say you rent a room from a Jewish family who are total strangers. It would be completely wrong for you to argue religion with them while in their house. You'd have to respect their beliefs. If you feel you can't do this, you should pack your bags. Seeing as how we should treat our parents better than strangers, this same courtesty, at minimum if not more, should be extended to your parents.

 

When two religions (even within the realm of Christendom) are so diametrically opposed to each other, they both cannot be right.

Why not? Jesus said "In my Father's house there are many mansions". Probably an IFB mansion, an RCC mansion, an SBC mansion, a Lutheran mansion, an Episcopal mansion, a Calvarean mansion, and maybe even a Marilyn mansion!

 

Consider the non-Catholic post that stated the following...

(It is either the Catholic way or the Bible way.)

That is supposedly an anti-catholic statement that no Catholic would make about their own church -- or is it?

Surely Catholic do not themselves bring this point up as a means of showing superiority over Protestants - do they?

A pro-catholic message board (that recently announced here by the RC Admin of that board) recently opened a thread titled "BIBLE HISTORY: IS YOUR CHURCH BIBLE-BASED?"

Just when you think you can whack the protestants for saying this about the RCC - the RC's say it about themselves?

IN Christ,

Bob

 

Just when you think you can whack the protestants for saying this about the RCC - the RC's say it about themselves?

IN Christ,

Bob</font>[/QUOTE]Bob,

Are you arguing that the Catholic cannon of scripture is not the Protestants cannon of scripture?

From what you posted that came off another site, what is being said is that it was the RCC that canonized the scriptures, are you actually going to argue that it wasn't? You may not accept the Catholic interpretation of scripture but you certainly accept the Catholic cannon of scripture every time you open your bible.

 

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 ......the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

You had better take the time to defend it, for the catechism teaches it. If Nimrod is NOT saved because he left the Roman Catholic Church, then where is he going when he dies? Heaven? NO! Hell. So saith the catechism. Thank God my Bible doesn't say that. Now, the catechism isn't speaking of the universal catholic Church here, it is speaking specifically about the Catholic Church under papal authority. I guess by this teaching, I am not saved either and also heading for hell. Seeing that I refuse to enter the Catholic Church under papal authority. I am however in the one universal Church of Christ, His body which is made up of ALL born-again believers. By the way, I am not anti-catholic. I am anti-papal Catholicism.

 

I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept for some.

Do you see the qualifier?

"knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ"

Try rereading it, keeping in mind the qualifier.

 

Which Catholic Church are you referring to? ( c )atholic as in universal or ( C ) as in papal Catholicism? One who is already saved, is in the body of Christ, His catholic or universal Church. For you or the papal Catholic Church to say that outside of it(the papal Catholic Church)is no salvation is like me saying outside of the Independant Fundamental Baptist Church there is no salvation. Both are a man-made doctrine and neither has grounds for truth in the word of God.

Like I said, I know what the catechism says and since I earnestly rebuke papal Catholicism, am I saved? I protest against Catholicism and I am in a Church that protests against Catholicism so, will I go to Heaven? By catechismal interpretation, what is your answer?

 

Will you go to Heaven?

God and no one else knows.

At this point, I will bow out this discussion with you because I get no sense that you are placing any thought or care into what I write to you anyway.

 

Oh brother!!!

Bowing out, or chickening out ? Why not answer the question so we can all know once and for all. I have NEVER seen an RCCer answer this question as many times as it has been asked. So c,mon, let us all know.

 

Curtis ask the question and I will answer you directly. But try to be just a little bit nice, ok?

 

Ron, the question has been asked just fine. Several times. Are you going to answer it ?