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A_Christian --

Do you know what I think of you and have from
when I first began to read your posts? I think you
are a nice guy who loves Truth and who desires to
defend his faith. That is very commendable. I
appreciate that in you. There is an innocense
about you that appeals to me.

But . . . doesn't that just kill you -- the "But . . ." that
follows a compliment. Yeah.

But when our God says something and does not
Himself retract it, doesn't that concern you? When
it is claimed that the apostles changed the day,
after He said "7th day," doesn't that sound a little
fishy? How could they legitimately override what
He had said, especially when He is the Lord and
He changes not.

I need scissors. I need to cut several passages
out of the Apostolic Writings in my Bible: Matt
12:1-9; Mark :21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16 for starters.
Then Acts 18:4; 13:14 & 15; 16:13; 17:1-4; 24:10-16.
And then I could cut out Matt 15:3. Then I will need
to cut out Matt 19:18; Matt 23:2; Acts 17:11; Acts
24:14; Acts 25:8; 2 Tim3:1-17.

Again, I must challenge you to study the words
Law and law in the Apostolic Scriptures. You
will need to consider them in Greek, not English.
And while you are at it, check out the term "Lord's
day" in the whole Bible in order to learn its
meaning. You will want to research "Lord's
day," "day of the Lord," and other terms.

Another thing I would suggest that you study is
how days are divided by Jews, which is just as
they were divided by them when they were
writing the Bible -- sundown to sundown. While I
recognize that it is difficult for the modern average
American mindset to understand, the start of the
first day of the week is on what we call Saturday
night. Understanding this helps one to understand
many pertinent Bible passages much more clearly.

 

Oops! Now, you have drawn another controversial
subject into the mix. "Good Friday" was a later
invention.

Oh, my! What you apparently do not know is that
during the time our Lord spoke this (before then
and afterward), there was a little game various
teachers and their students would play: They
would try to give the points of the Law in the most
concise words possible. They actually competed
in this! And you will find similar such statements
by many teachers in many writings. This one
happened to be our Lord's way. All the commands
re how to treat our God were included in His terse
statement in verse 37 -- that if you truly love Him,
you will follow His commands fuly, leaving none
out.

You are apparently of an Arminian bent. I did not
know. Yes, David was guilty of many sins, just as
are all of us in the Calvinist idea, but forgiveness is
available for those who seek it and who repent.

Re the disciples picking the grain, they broke no
Law; they only went against pharisaical laws.

Well, what can I say? I still suggest that you study
where SUnday worship began -- truly began.

 

A_ --

This is an area where you do not want to go until
you have made youself very informed. There is so
much tradition mixed in with the retelling of this
incident that the only way to derive the truth is to
ignore what people say, ignore the traditions, and
search it out for youself.

Suggestion: make photo copies of the Scriptures
about the crucifixion and the two weeks leading up
to it. Cut and paste them Very Carefully, while
reading them carefully, on pages marked "Day 1,"
"Day 2," all the way up to "Day 15," with "Day 1"
being the day our Lord arose and "Day 15" being
two weeks earlier. Remember, in this exercise,
that days begin at sunset and end at sunset. Don't
hurry, and be prepared to change your mind about
which day things happened at times. This will be
very revealing.

Check in the encyclopedias to learn the true
origin of "Good Friday."

Do you eat PORK? No
Do you have knicknacks in your home? This
question is based upon a common misunderstand-
ing of Scriptures
Do you drive for miles while on vacation on
SATURDAYS? No, but this is also based more
upon Pharisaical law than on Torah
Does your wife COOK on Saturday? I do not cook
on Sabbath

 

A_Christian --

Once again, study that Scripture. FInd out what it
really means for fulfill the Law.

And when one does follow the Law, which is Torah,
meaning instruction, your own Christian doctrine
says that there is nothing wrong with that, so why
do you attempt to condemn me? Did I say that
Torah would save me? No. Never. Torah does not
save; Torah never did save; the only thing that
EVER saved in all of time is faith in our Lord and
thus our Lord.

 

So many times, I have heard this excuse used in
order to attempt to diminish what our God said
about worshipping on the seventh day - that
they were in the Temple daily. An understanding
of the Temple and its uses, along with a respect
for what our God has instructed and the
realization that the disciples neither changed His
instruction nor had the authority to do so, would
take care of this. However, we all believe what we
choose to believe no matter what the truth is.

 

A, just so that you will know, there are only two who
can condemn me: my God and myself. He would
only do it in order to instruct me, and I would do it
out of ignorance. While satan may try, it cannot
unless I permit it. So no, I do not believe you have
condemned me either.

But you still do not understand. My God will
not punish me for not worshiping on Sabbath! I
worship on Sabbath because of His instruction and
because it is a delight!

A, if you are free from the Law, I am very sorry for
you, because the new covenant is the Law implanted
in the heart. According to the writers of the Bible,
especially the last books, sin is lawlessness or
breaking the commandments. Have you not read
this yet?

A, you are so wrong in so many of your statements
here that it is disheartening. Much of what is here
is based upon misunderstandings. I do not
condemn you for that either, but I do encourage you
to study. I trust that you will and that you will learn,
as KJV says, what "thus saith the Lord."

 

OH! There actually Was an original topic!!

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