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There are basically two arguments (or is it 3?)

#1. There are no ten commandments any more. God is checking to see if anyone can still be tricked into trying to obey Him.

#2. OK - well, there are nine, not ten. God is happy if you obey the nine - but very unhappy if you obey the Sabbath commandment. It denies salvation.

#3. alright - then maybe there ARE Ten still but the Sabbath commandment has been "edited" and we keep week-day-1 as the Sabbath.

Abiyah's opening post addresses those who argue #3 - however that is not everyone and we see evidence of that in the responses to this.


And lets not forget --
"In any case - it would be insulting to God to honor His seventh-day memorial of Creation ON the 7-day creation-week cycle INSTEAD of selecting week-day-1 on that SAME 7-day-creation-week-cycle for doing the same."

In Christ,

Bob

 

There are basically two arguments (or is it 3?)
#1. There are no ten commandments any more. God is checking to see if anyone can still be tricked into trying to obey Him.

#2. OK - well, there are nine, not ten. God is happy if you obey the nine - but very unhappy if you obey the Sabbath commandment. It denies salvation.

#3. alright - then maybe there ARE Ten still but the Sabbath commandment has been "edited" and we keep week-day-1 as the Sabbath.

Make it at least 4--->
Christians live under the New Testament and its instructions. They are not obligated to any laws promulgated in the Old Testament unless they are repeated as obligatory by the New Testament. The sabbath command is not so repeated.

And lets not forget --
"In any case - it would be insulting to God to honor His seventh-day memorial of Creation ON the 7-day creation-week cycle INSTEAD of selecting week-day-1 on that SAME 7-day-creation-week-cycle for doing the same."

Huh??

 

So the 8 Commandments (excluding ones like the Sabbath that are NOT fully repeated in the NT?)

OF course - it is also NOT repeated in the book of Malachi OR in the 4 Gospels (written after the cross about those living BEFORE the cross). If we used the "not-repeated" argument we could drop the Royal law of Lev 19:18 since it is not repeated in the book of Revelation.

Just pointing out that Sabbath observance is logically based on the SAME 7-day Creation-week cycle AS the event it is memorializing - "Creation Week" itself.

There is "no" 7-day "event" being memorialized in the Sunday observances - innexplicably - they are borrowing the creation-week context to memorialize a NON creation week event in history when in fact - there is nothing about the resurrection of Christ that includes a 7-day event. The one and ONLY reason for a 7-day cycle is creation week - alone.

Of course the RCC has a much better explanation for this - and that was excuse #4. "The Editing" of the commandment regarding the 7-day-cycle memorial of Creation's 7 days.

In Christ,

Bob

 

When I was young, most communities had 'blue laws' which kept shops closed on Sunday. How I wish we still had these in place, and not just for religious reasons. Think of the number of clerks and store managers who have to work on Sunday, and be away from the their families. America would be much-better off if Sunday were truly a 'day off' for all.

People can argue (obviously) back and forth about 'the Sabbath'. The Adventist claims regarding the Sabbath are quite-weak, it seems to me, but I'm not going to waste my time arguing about that. Suffice to say, it would be nice if more than 35% of the American population attended Church on Saturday/Sunday.

 

Question for Bob Ryan.

What constitutes "keeping the Sabbath" to a SDA?

 

If one reads Hebrews 3 and 4 CORRECTLY they will see that there remains a rest, and what that rest is now is a continual rest FROM OUR WORKS IN ATTEMPT TO EARN OUR SALVATION. There is a new and bettter rest in the new covenant that has priority over old way, and praise God that we understand and are not held to the law and code of some.

 

See Isaiah 58, Exodus 20:8-11 and Lev 23:1-3.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Hebrews 4 makes it clear that JUST as in the OT so in the NT "THERE REMAINS therefore a Sabbath REST for the people of God".

In Hebrews 3 and 4 the point is made that Psalms 97 is arguing for the case of true Sabbath rest - EVEN in the days of King David.

NO CHANGE.

In Christ,

Bob

 

You mean the way I "refrain from idol worship" so that I can earn my way to heaven?

The Way I refrain from murder because by doing so "God owes" me heaven?

Or is this like "Loving God with all my heart" (Deut 6:5) so that God will have to "pay me" heaven?

As it turns out - I lump them all into the same grouping - called "obedience" and I observe the Romans 2:13 principle to be true in that regard.

Obedience does not "earn" you heaven. But determined rebellion will keep you from the gospel entrance into it.

Hey - I think we find agreement there!

In Christ,

Bob

 

I have no idea how an SDA would interpret any particular portion of Scripture, so your answer doesn't tell me much about how an SDA keeps the Sabbath.

I also don't know what writings of Ms. White you would be adding to Scripture.

So how about trying again in your own words?

 

I have no idea how an SDA would interpret any particular portion of Scripture, so your answer doesn't tell me much about how an SDA keeps the Sabbath.

I also don't know what writings of Ms. White you would be adding to Scripture.

So how about trying again in your own words? </font>[/QUOTE]Well if you are willing to look at those scriptures - then in Exodus 20 - you see that God Himself requires it as a day of rest.

In Leviticus 23 - you see that God Himself requires it as a day of "Holy Convocation" - a day of corporate worship.

In Isaiah 58 you see that God Himself explicitly requires that we "turn aside from doing our own pleasure and from speaking our own word" on His Holy 7th-day memorial of creation-week.

I don't think you need to be much of a Seventh-day Adventist to read those texts and see what they are saying.

In Isaiah 66 you find that God predicts that in the New Earth "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall All Mankind come before Me to Worship". An Emphasis on corporate worship even in the New Earth - for all eternity - for all mankind.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Again not knowing what spin SDA put on particular portions of Scripture and not knowing what writings of Ms. White you would then add to Scripture, I can only ask.

But considering that you rarely (if ever) give a direct answer to a question, it's probably silly to even ask.

I did wonder though because I see that you post here on Saturdays.

Is that part of keeping the Sabbath?

 

I gave you the texts alone - and you find a way to twist that into "I added something" or "Ellen White added something".

You would think that my not commenting other than to appeal to the Word of God alone - was some kind of terrible cultural error among Catholics.

How you twisted that into something-something-I-added or something-something-Ellen-White just goes to show your true talent. You "are" amazing!
(And consistent too!)

As for "posting" on a Christian Message board on Sabbath - being a violation of the texts I gave.... If you have some exegesis you want to put together to make your point - I am all ears!

In Christ,

Bob

 

I am sure that it does not go unnoticed that you do not answer even the most simple questions.

The question asked here for a third time is, what does it mean to an SDA to keep the Sabbath?

Your references to Scripture do not answer that question, because SDA's interpret it in some manner and then apply that particular interpretation in the practice of observing the Sabbath.

In the process, I assume that they also see what Ellen White had to say on the subject.

How about a direct answer?

 

I have given the direct answer. As difficult as it may seem for someone coming from your background - the answer is from the Bible. The Word of God. It lays out the plan for God's people regarding His Holy seventh-day memorial of creation week - made a holy day in Genesis 2:3 according to God's Word. It even shows the plan for "all mankind coming before God from Sabbath to Sabbath" in the New Earth (Isaiah 66).

In case that was too difficult to grasp - I also took each of the 3 sample texts and gave a one sentence summary of the kind of information that can be found there in God's Word regarding this subject.

I showed the directive from scripture to meet in corporate worship.

I showed the directive to refrain from doing your own pleasure or speaking your own word - it is a day of meditation, rest and worship. A day of praise and thanksgiving.

This just isn't that complicated. What else do you want?

Are you looking for a quote from Ellen White? Why would you need one? Is the Bible not sufficient?

In Christ,

Bob

 

What do I want? A straight answer.

I previously asked about your posting on the Board during the Sabbath.

Does not posting on the Board break the Sabbath?

No doubt you find pleasure in it.

And very often you are speaking your own word.

No, I was not looking for a quote from your Ms. White. But I do know that as an SDA you are required to submit to what she has to say on the Bible. So I asked if she had anything else to add to the Bible.

Why does the SDA put her writings on par with the Bible and no others?

Surely there must be other prophets you could put up next to her. Or did the gift end with her?

 

Abiyah -- Sounds like a lot of fun.

And you are right - individuals find for themselves the best way to engage in a "day" of worship and rest - from sundown to sundown.

In Christ,

Bob