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I Am Blessed 24

Active Member
"Beloved, let us love one another; for love is of God, and everyone that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."

I John 4:7-8

We may be from different countries but we are Christians and we need to show more love one to another...
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InHim2002

New Member
We may be from different countries but we are Christians and we need to show more love one to another...
i agree - and love to all of those that will be killed in an illegal, immoral and unjustifiable war.....

[ February 21, 2003, 04:46 AM: Message edited by: InHim2002 ]
 

Bro. James Reed

New Member
Really, now! I could just as easily post pictures of the starving children and so on that Saddam has killed over the years.

A hypothetical to pose, would the same people who are against this war also be against World War II, that is if Pearl Harbor had not been attacked?

Saddam is just as evil and cruel as Hitler was. So why do you want to let him get away with murder? He has killed thousands, if not millions, of his own people during his reign as "Evil Dictator." Why should we not go in and stop him?

If it was up to me, we would have finished the job ten years ago.
 

LadyEagle

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Yes, let's stick up for Saddam Hussain! That's what Christian love is all about. And let's bend the knee to some demonic madman, that's what Jesus would do. Yeah, right! Give me a break! :mad:

So, what about love for the 200,000 Iraqi men, women, & children who Saddam already killed? Do they count?

What about the people Saddam forces alive into human meat grinders, do they count? Or the ones he dips alive into acid baths, do they count?

And what about these things?

• The chemical gas attack on the town of Halabja in March 1988, as a result of which 5000 Iraqi Kurdish civilians were killed and 10000 wounded. Also, 281 other villages, valleys and mountaintops were gassed under his command.

• The Anfal operations, during which 182,000 civilian Kurds were rounded up by the Security forces, disappeared and were allegedly killed. [During a meeting of officials of the Bureau for the Organization of the Affairs of the North on January 26, 1989, which was recorded on tape, he acknowledges that these citizens were buried in mass graves dug with mechanical shovels.]

• The destruction of 4500 Kurdish villages, hundreds of hospitals, schools and mosques.

• The destruction of more than 150 Assyrian villages, dozens of churches and monasteries as well as the disappearances of about one thousand members of the Assyrian community.

For the elimination of the village of Dujail in 1983, the extra judicial killings of many of its inhabitants and generally collectively punishing the inhabitants of Dujail. [Dujail is a village north of Baghdad which was destroyed following an assassination attempt against Saddam Hussein that originated from there.]

• For the brutal actions, such as mass executions, carried out by the Iraqi armed forces in suppressing the uprising of March 1991.

• For torture, murder and rape.

• For the brutal suppression of the Shi’ite Muslim population of Southern Iraq in 1991 and the destruction of Shi’ite Muslim life and culture. Iraqi tanks under his command rolled into Southern villages with the slogan “No more Shi’ites after today”.

• Aided in the planning of the invasion of Kuwait in 1990 and commanding the destruction, looting and atrocities committed during the occupation of Kuwait.
http://home.cogeco.ca/~konews/9-9-02-ali-chemical-in-algeria.html

Wow! This is what he thinks of the Iraqi people. I imagine he really thinks more of the rest of the world, including the US and his neighbors. Oh, Give me a Break!

The Peaceniks obviously don't care about the Iraqi people.

And when it's all said & done, we'll find out the French have been supplying this madman arms and weapons components - watch & see.
 

Gina B

Active Member
What about the thousands of Iraqi children we have been killing for years and years with our sanctions on Iraq?
Yes, this war should have happened long ago, it's a much better solution than what we've been doing.
Just a thought.

Gina
 

Mike McK

New Member
Originally posted by Gina:
What about the thousands of Iraqi children we have been killing for years and years with our sanctions on Iraq?
They're not our sanctions, they're the U.N.'s.

Second, Saddam could've stopped them anytime he wanted by complying.

Third, how can you say that it was the sanctions that was killing children when Saddam was taking all of the money and food that was coming into Iraq for himself?

Funny that the appeasers are so worried about the children when we're talking about going in, but they don't seem to care about the children when Saddam is committing human rights violations.
 

Mike McK

New Member
Originally posted by Bro. James Reed:
If it was up to me, we would have finished the job ten years ago.
We did finish the job.

Remember, our mission was to remove Iraq from Kuwait, not remove Saddam from Iraq.

This is what happens when we plat by the U.N.'s rules.
 

LadyEagle

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Funny that the appeasers are so worried about the children when we're talking about going in, but they don't seem to care about the children when Saddam is committing human rights violations.
Yep. And here's something else to consider for those who are worried about the children of Iraq...

Possible Ethical Nightmare Looming in Iraq
By Andrew Buncombe, THE INDEPENDENT (LONDON), Thursday, January 16, 2003

As the prospect of a conflict with Iraq grows nearer, a possible ethical nightmare hides in the background: The Iraqi government has forced thousands of children to learn to kill, and has placed them in the military.

American and British forces sent to Iraq may have to fight units of child soldiers trained to mount ambushes, sniper attacks and road blocks, according to US military analysts.



The Pentagon has no official plans on how to deal with child soldiers – leaving its troops vulnerable to deadly attacks from seemingly harmless children as well as the psychological trauma of having to kill children. Experts say the Pentagon's public relations operation is also not prepared to deal with having such images broadcast in the Arab world.

Experts have said the Iraqi regime has been intensely training children aged 10 to 15. The training camps for these units, known as Ashbal Saddam or Saddam Lion Cubs, involve up to 14 hours a day of weapons drill and political indoctrination.

In a recent briefing document, Peter Singer, an analyst with the Brookings Institution think-tank, said there were up to 8,000 such child soldiers in Baghdad alone. He said that as with the Hitler Youth, which fought in the battle for Berlin, the Iraqi child soldiers could "operate with unexpected and terrifying audacity".
http://www.operationsick.com/articles/20030116_iraqsaddamchildsoldiers.asp


http://www.child-soldiers.org/

What the Peaceniks don't consider:

The US has the military technology to nuke the whole region via satellite & not risk the life of one soldier. We could NUKE EM ALL & be done with a myriad of problems. Or we could carpet bomb the whole region & be done with it. The US has several options available if the US is the BIG BAD GUY the left makes us out to be. :rolleyes:

Instead, we are choosing to put in ground troops who will be exposed to biological, chemical, possibly nuclear weapons, child soldiers, mine fields, and more to try & minimize loss of "innocent" civilian life & infrastructure (collateral damage).

And the sad part of it all, the majority of those people who will be liberated & fed & medicated will still hate America. Hmmm....didn't we liberate France? :rolleyes:
 

Gina B

Active Member
Yes, that's such a nice belief Mike. We have nothing to do with the U.N., it's all them, not us. Yay!
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"Myth 1: The sanctions have produced temporary hardship for the Iraqi people but are an effective, nonviolent method of containing Iraq.

Sanctions target the weakest and most vulnerable members of the Iraqi society–the poor, elderly, newborn, sick, and young. Many equate sanctions with violence. The sanctions, coupled with pain inflicted by US and UK military attacks, have reduced Iraq’s infrastructure to virtual rubble. Water sanitation plants and hospitals remain in dilapidated states. Surveys by the United Nation’s Children’s Fund (Unicef) and the World Health Organization (WHO) note a marked decline in health and nutrition throughout Iraq."
From: THIS LINK
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"Before we rush to war with Iraq again, Americans must know what happened in the last war. In 1991, we bombed Iraq's civilian infrastructure to "accelerate the effect of sanctions" knowing it would shut down their water and sewage systems.1 The UN reported there would soon be "epidemic and famine" and "time was short" to prevent it. We said that "by making life uncomfortable for the Iraqi people we would encourage them to remove President Saddam Hussein."2 And we waited for this to happen.
We used epidemic and famine as tools of our foreign policy. We did it to cause suffering--and death--to get regime change at low cost. We tried to force the Iraqis to do it. But it was not low cost. "
From: THIS LINK
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"Nine years after the Gulf War, the United States-led international sanctions on Iraq are being accused of causing a humanitarian disaster and creating a lost generation of Iraqi youths. The German coordinator of the United Nation’s (UN) humanitarian programs in Iraq resigned in protest over the inadequacy of the oil-for-food program administered by the UN.

In August 1990, a full economic embargo was imposed on Iraq, prohibiting the country from exporting any product and placing strangling restrictions on its imports. A few years later the United States and Britain led the United Nations in creating an oil-for-food program that only allows Iraq to export a set amount of oil every 6 months in order for it to buy food. Currently, Iraq produces around 2.6 million barrels of oil per day, but its capacity to produce is being hindered by its inability to import spare
parts in order to repair its infrastructure."
From: THIS LINK
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"Over the last two years, I've discovered documents of the Defense Intelligence Agency proving beyond a doubt that, contrary to the Geneva Convention, the U.S. government intentionally used sanctions against Iraq to degrade the country's water supply after the Gulf War. The United States knew the cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children, would pay, and it went ahead anyway.
The primary document, "Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities," is dated January 22, 1991. It spells out how sanctions will prevent Iraq from supplying clean water to its citizens."
From: Over the last two years, I've discovered documents of the Defense Intelligence Agency proving beyond a doubt that, contrary to the Geneva Convention, the U.S. government intentionally used sanctions against Iraq to degrade the country's water supply after the Gulf War. The United States knew the cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children, would pay, and it went ahead anyway.
The primary document, "Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities," is dated January 22, 1991. It spells out how sanctions will prevent Iraq from supplying clean water to its citizens.
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"1.5 million people in Iraq, over half of them children under five, have died as a direct result of the sanctions. One-third of children are severely malnurished. Eight years of sanctions have denied an entire generation books and even pencils, and have caused them physical and mental damage that, even if they survive, they will never completely overcome.

For the Iraqi people, the Gulf War is still not over. Since August 1990, Iraq has been under U.S.-led UN economic sanctions. These sanctions prevent Iraq from selling oil and freeze Iraq's foreign assets, the result of which is the inability to purchase the food and medicines that the people desperately need. The UN's own agencies (UNICEF, FAO, WFP, WHO), academic institutions (such as Harvard and the University of Massachusetts), and grassroots organizations including the International Action Center have sent teams of people to independently investigate the humanitarian situation in Iraq. Medical professionals, professors, students, religious leaders, political and social activists, and many others have traveled to Iraq to witness the suffering of the Iraqi people and to bring a message back to the U.S. that the mainstream press will never tell you_THE SANCTIONS MUST END NOW!"
From: THIS LINK
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Gina
 

Bro. James Reed

New Member
Gina, sanctions or no sanctions, Saddam is going to hurt his people. If we send them money and food, he will keep it for himself. If we put sanctions against him, he takes his peoples' food and money for himself. It's a no-win situation for the Iraqi people.

The only way to change anything is to remove Saddam and his advisors.

Mike, I didn't mean the job that was done 10 yrs. ago. I meant the job that should have been done 10 yrs. ago. Most people knew back then that, with Saddam still in power, another war was going to happen.

I feel sorry for the Iraqi people, which is why I believe we need to help them.

BTW, no one has answered my question about Hitler. Saddam is doing the same to his people as Hitler did to his people. Would you stand idly by and watch the slaughter of innocent civilians all over again.

How quickly we (and France) forget about the past. How quickly we forget that freedom comes with a price.
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Jude

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Originally posted by Mike McK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bro. James Reed:
If it was up to me, we would have finished the job ten years ago.
We did finish the job.

Remember, our mission was to remove Iraq from Kuwait, not remove Saddam from Iraq.

This is what happens when we plat by the U.N.'s rules.
</font>[/QUOTE]I would say that we need to vacate the UN, and forget about running our foreign policy through them. That was Bush 41's mistake. And it is Colin Powell's as well. Clinton didn't seek UN approval to go to Bosnia. Thatcher didn't seek UN approval to go to the Falklands. Bush 43 shouldn't have listened to Powell, period. We (U.S. and U.K.)should have built our own coalition, laid down a final ultimatum, and then, 'praise(d)the Lord and passed the ammunition.' As the 'link' I gave above points out, the French have been sleeping with Iraq for some time, and made billions. Their trachery (to the U.S.)is appalling, and I, for one, will no-longer buy ANY French products.(Or German or Belgian, for that matter.)

[ February 21, 2003, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: Jude ]
 

LadyEagle

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The jokes were taking the edge off of what a lot of people feel (especially we Americans).

Now the thread has gone serious and there are a lot of serious issues facing all of us. If you don't support the war on terrorism, you will only have to deal with it at a later time. Or your children will. Or your grandchildren. If Jesus doesn't come back before then.

The whole planet is about to erupt one way or another. Millions are being slaughtered every day all over the world, yet we never hear about them. Some are too concerned about the next Big Mac or vacation or putting tires on their car or if their portfolio is doing well.

Or throwing blame on America.

Let's get real. There are evil people in this world. And the numbers seem to be increasing. We are hurtling towards the end times.

People can march in protests and wave around effigies of Tony Blair and GW Bush. They can and do enlist the support of the hypocritcal liberal media. They can & do can burn the American flag and call Americans names. They hoot & holler & foam at the mouth all their anti-American feelings and how they think we're all hateful because we are going to war or because we joke around to try vent some of our many mixed feelings about going to war.

But there's one thing for sure: When someone who has lived under a wicked despotic regime is fortunate to escape to freedom, the majority of the time, they try to come to America. When the world needs something, be it food, medicine, technology, MONEY, whatever - where's the first place they come seeking benevolence? AMERICA!

Those certain countries over in Europe (including the masses with their protest signs) should be kissing our American feet for having the courage to try to do something to save them a problem they will eventually have to deal with in the not too distant future.

We will do the job the UN should have taken care of long ago. We will be the spine & the courage the UN obviously doesn't have after how many resolutions.

Our young men & women, combined with forces from Canada, UK, Australia, and other good friends will do the DIRTY job for the cowards. And we know that even though the world should be thanking us, we will get no thanks. But we will do it because it is the right thing to do.

God Bless America. She's still the Greatest and Best Nation on Earth, from sea to shining sea.
 

Mike McK

New Member
Originally posted by Jude:
I would say that we need to vacate the UN, and forget about running our foreign policy through them.
Agreed. We need to get out and then throw them out.

We (U.S. and U.K.)should have built our own coalition, laid down a final ultimatum, and then, 'praise(d)the Lord and passed the ammunition.'
In hindsight, I agree.
 
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