La Marseillaise

"Beloved, let us love one another; for love is of God, and everyone that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."

I John 4:7-8

We may be from different countries but we are Christians and we need to show more love one to another...

Sue

 

i agree - and love to all of those that will be killed in an illegal, immoral and unjustifiable war.....

[ February 21, 2003, 04:46 AM: Message edited by: InHim2002 ]

 

Really, now! I could just as easily post pictures of the starving children and so on that Saddam has killed over the years.

A hypothetical to pose, would the same people who are against this war also be against World War II, that is if Pearl Harbor had not been attacked?

Saddam is just as evil and cruel as Hitler was. So why do you want to let him get away with murder? He has killed thousands, if not millions, of his own people during his reign as "Evil Dictator." Why should we not go in and stop him?

If it was up to me, we would have finished the job ten years ago.

 

Yes, let's stick up for Saddam Hussain! That's what Christian love is all about. And let's bend the knee to some demonic madman, that's what Jesus would do. Yeah, right! Give me a break!

So, what about love for the 200,000 Iraqi men, women, & children who Saddam already killed? Do they count?

What about the people Saddam forces alive into human meat grinders, do they count? Or the ones he dips alive into acid baths, do they count?

And what about these things?

http://home.cogeco.ca/~konews/9-9-02-ali-chemical-in-algeria.html

Wow! This is what he thinks of the Iraqi people. I imagine he really thinks more of the rest of the world, including the US and his neighbors. Oh, Give me a Break!

The Peaceniks obviously don't care about the Iraqi people.

And when it's all said & done, we'll find out the French have been supplying this madman arms and weapons components - watch & see.

 

What about the thousands of Iraqi children we have been killing for years and years with our sanctions on Iraq?
Yes, this war should have happened long ago, it's a much better solution than what we've been doing.
Just a thought.
Gina

 

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They're not our sanctions, they're the U.N.'s.

Second, Saddam could've stopped them anytime he wanted by complying.

Third, how can you say that it was the sanctions that was killing children when Saddam was taking all of the money and food that was coming into Iraq for himself?

Funny that the appeasers are so worried about the children when we're talking about going in, but they don't seem to care about the children when Saddam is committing human rights violations.

 

We did finish the job.

Remember, our mission was to remove Iraq from Kuwait, not remove Saddam from Iraq.

This is what happens when we plat by the U.N.'s rules.

 

Not ours, but the UN's? The U.S. has clean hands on that one then?

 

Yep. And here's something else to consider for those who are worried about the children of Iraq...

http://www.operationsick.com/articles/20030116_iraqsaddamchildsoldiers.asp


http://www.child-soldiers.org/

What the Peaceniks don't consider:

The US has the military technology to nuke the whole region via satellite & not risk the life of one soldier. We could NUKE EM ALL & be done with a myriad of problems. Or we could carpet bomb the whole region & be done with it. The US has several options available if the US is the BIG BAD GUY the left makes us out to be.

Instead, we are choosing to put in ground troops who will be exposed to biological, chemical, possibly nuclear weapons, child soldiers, mine fields, and more to try & minimize loss of "innocent" civilian life & infrastructure (collateral damage).

And the sad part of it all, the majority of those people who will be liberated & fed & medicated will still hate America. Hmmm....didn't we liberate France?

 

Yeah, Gina, they were imposed by the U.N., not us.

 

Yes, that's such a nice belief Mike. We have nothing to do with the U.N., it's all them, not us. Yay!
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"Myth 1: The sanctions have produced temporary hardship for the Iraqi people but are an effective, nonviolent method of containing Iraq.

Sanctions target the weakest and most vulnerable members of the Iraqi society–the poor, elderly, newborn, sick, and young. Many equate sanctions with violence. The sanctions, coupled with pain inflicted by US and UK military attacks, have reduced Iraq’s infrastructure to virtual rubble. Water sanitation plants and hospitals remain in dilapidated states. Surveys by the United Nation’s Children’s Fund (Unicef) and the World Health Organization (WHO) note a marked decline in health and nutrition throughout Iraq."
From: THIS LINK
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"Before we rush to war with Iraq again, Americans must know what happened in the last war. In 1991, we bombed Iraq's civilian infrastructure to "accelerate the effect of sanctions" knowing it would shut down their water and sewage systems.1 The UN reported there would soon be "epidemic and famine" and "time was short" to prevent it. We said that "by making life uncomfortable for the Iraqi people we would encourage them to remove President Saddam Hussein."2 And we waited for this to happen.
We used epidemic and famine as tools of our foreign policy. We did it to cause suffering--and death--to get regime change at low cost. We tried to force the Iraqis to do it. But it was not low cost. "
From: THIS LINK
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"Nine years after the Gulf War, the United States-led international sanctions on Iraq are being accused of causing a humanitarian disaster and creating a lost generation of Iraqi youths. The German coordinator of the United Nation’s (UN) humanitarian programs in Iraq resigned in protest over the inadequacy of the oil-for-food program administered by the UN.

In August 1990, a full economic embargo was imposed on Iraq, prohibiting the country from exporting any product and placing strangling restrictions on its imports. A few years later the United States and Britain led the United Nations in creating an oil-for-food program that only allows Iraq to export a set amount of oil every 6 months in order for it to buy food. Currently, Iraq produces around 2.6 million barrels of oil per day, but its capacity to produce is being hindered by its inability to import spare
parts in order to repair its infrastructure."
From: THIS LINK
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"Over the last two years, I've discovered documents of the Defense Intelligence Agency proving beyond a doubt that, contrary to the Geneva Convention, the U.S. government intentionally used sanctions against Iraq to degrade the country's water supply after the Gulf War. The United States knew the cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children, would pay, and it went ahead anyway.
The primary document, "Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities," is dated January 22, 1991. It spells out how sanctions will prevent Iraq from supplying clean water to its citizens."
From: Over the last two years, I've discovered documents of the Defense Intelligence Agency proving beyond a doubt that, contrary to the Geneva Convention, the U.S. government intentionally used sanctions against Iraq to degrade the country's water supply after the Gulf War. The United States knew the cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children, would pay, and it went ahead anyway.
The primary document, "Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities," is dated January 22, 1991. It spells out how sanctions will prevent Iraq from supplying clean water to its citizens.
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"1.5 million people in Iraq, over half of them children under five, have died as a direct result of the sanctions. One-third of children are severely malnurished. Eight years of sanctions have denied an entire generation books and even pencils, and have caused them physical and mental damage that, even if they survive, they will never completely overcome.

For the Iraqi people, the Gulf War is still not over. Since August 1990, Iraq has been under U.S.-led UN economic sanctions. These sanctions prevent Iraq from selling oil and freeze Iraq's foreign assets, the result of which is the inability to purchase the food and medicines that the people desperately need. The UN's own agencies (UNICEF, FAO, WFP, WHO), academic institutions (such as Harvard and the University of Massachusetts), and grassroots organizations including the International Action Center have sent teams of people to independently investigate the humanitarian situation in Iraq. Medical professionals, professors, students, religious leaders, political and social activists, and many others have traveled to Iraq to witness the suffering of the Iraqi people and to bring a message back to the U.S. that the mainstream press will never tell you_THE SANCTIONS MUST END NOW!"
From: THIS LINK
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Gina

 

Gina, sanctions or no sanctions, Saddam is going to hurt his people. If we send them money and food, he will keep it for himself. If we put sanctions against him, he takes his peoples' food and money for himself. It's a no-win situation for the Iraqi people.

The only way to change anything is to remove Saddam and his advisors.

Mike, I didn't mean the job that was done 10 yrs. ago. I meant the job that should have been done 10 yrs. ago. Most people knew back then that, with Saddam still in power, another war was going to happen.

I feel sorry for the Iraqi people, which is why I believe we need to help them.

BTW, no one has answered my question about Hitler. Saddam is doing the same to his people as Hitler did to his people. Would you stand idly by and watch the slaughter of innocent civilians all over again.

How quickly we (and France) forget about the past. How quickly we forget that freedom comes with a price.

 

Jokes are fine. But bigotry disguised as humor is still bigotry.

"the government of the United States...gives to bigotry no sanction" George W. Bush, quoting George Washington.

To Biogtry No Sanction

 

The jokes were taking the edge off of what a lot of people feel (especially we Americans).

Now the thread has gone serious and there are a lot of serious issues facing all of us. If you don't support the war on terrorism, you will only have to deal with it at a later time. Or your children will. Or your grandchildren. If Jesus doesn't come back before then.

The whole planet is about to erupt one way or another. Millions are being slaughtered every day all over the world, yet we never hear about them. Some are too concerned about the next Big Mac or vacation or putting tires on their car or if their portfolio is doing well.

Or throwing blame on America.

Let's get real. There are evil people in this world. And the numbers seem to be increasing. We are hurtling towards the end times.

People can march in protests and wave around effigies of Tony Blair and GW Bush. They can and do enlist the support of the hypocritcal liberal media. They can & do can burn the American flag and call Americans names. They hoot & holler & foam at the mouth all their anti-American feelings and how they think we're all hateful because we are going to war or because we joke around to try vent some of our many mixed feelings about going to war.

But there's one thing for sure: When someone who has lived under a wicked despotic regime is fortunate to escape to freedom, the majority of the time, they try to come to America. When the world needs something, be it food, medicine, technology, MONEY, whatever - where's the first place they come seeking benevolence? AMERICA!

Those certain countries over in Europe (including the masses with their protest signs) should be kissing our American feet for having the courage to try to do something to save them a problem they will eventually have to deal with in the not too distant future.

We will do the job the UN should have taken care of long ago. We will be the spine & the courage the UN obviously doesn't have after how many resolutions.

Our young men & women, combined with forces from Canada, UK, Australia, and other good friends will do the DIRTY job for the cowards. And we know that even though the world should be thanking us, we will get no thanks. But we will do it because it is the right thing to do.

God Bless America. She's still the Greatest and Best Nation on Earth, from sea to shining sea.

 

Agreed. We need to get out and then throw them out.

In hindsight, I agree.