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The LAST Trumpet In 1 Cor. 15:52?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by kiriath_jearim, Mar 21, 2006.

  1. Ed Edwards

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    Mel Miller: //Note the order: Jesus "gathers the elect from
    earth TO heaven" so that ALL the Saints are
    glorified and wedded to the Lamb at the
    "Synagog" in heaven, i.e., the meeting place;
    2 Thess.2:1. Mark 13:27.//

    Amen, Brother Mel Miller -- Preach it!

    LAST 'DAY' is 7-years long (Daniel 9:27).

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    The following uses:
    rapture - like a resurrection but for the living
    resurrection - being raised from the dead & given
    a new body

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    I will show IT IS WRITTEN:
    The Anti-messiah shall reign for 7-years,
    the Tribulation period.
    The rapture (caught up) will follow a resurrection.
    The rapture/resurrection will occur without
    previous notice and before the Tribulation period
    (wrath).
    The rapture (caught up)/resurrection (gathering)
    is at the beginning of the Tribulation period
    (time of the Anti-messiah)

    The Anti-messiah shall reign for 7-years,
    the Tribulation period. FOR IT IS WRITTEN
    in Daniel 9:26-27 (nKJV):

    "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah
    shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
    And the people of the prince who is to
    come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary
    The end of it shall be with a flood,
    And till the end of the war desolations
    are determined.
    27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with
    many for one week; But in the middle
    of the week He shall bring an end
    to sacrifice and offering. And on
    the wing of abominations shall be
    one who makes desolate, Even until
    the consummation, which is determined,
    Is poured out on the desolate."

    Please note the lower case "h" in "he" in verse 27
    refering not to Messiah in verse 26 but the
    to the 'prince that shall come', not the Messiah Prince.
    Note that the capital 'H' in the second 'He'
    is to start a line of poetry - it also refers to
    the 'prince that shall come', not the Messiah Prince.
    Note it is written that the Anti-messiah's seven years
    are divided in the middle by the abomination
    of desolation (AOD), dividing the 7-year period into
    to parts each 3½-years long (1260 days, 42 months).

    The rapture (caught up) will follow a resurrection,
    FOR IT IS WRITTEN in 1 Thessalonains 4:13-18 (KJV1873):

    But I would not have you to be ignorant,
    brethren, concerning them which are asleep,
    that ye sorrow not, even as others which have
    no hope.
    14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose
    again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus
    will God bring with him.
    15 For this we say unto you by the word of
    the Lord, that we which are alive and remain
    unto the coming of the Lord shall
    not prevent them which are asleep.
    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from
    heaven with a shout, with the voice
    of the archangel, and with the trump of God:
    and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17 Then we which are alive and remain
    shall be caught up together with them
    in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
    and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    The rapture/resurrection will occur without
    previous notice and before the Tribulation period
    (wrath) FOR IT IS WRITTEN in
    1 Thessalonains 5:1-10 (KJV1873):

    1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren,
    ye have no need that I write unto you.
    2 For yourselves know perfectly that
    the day of the Lord so cometh as
    a thief in the night.
    3 For when they shall say,
    Peace and safety; then sudden destruction
    cometh upon them, as travail upon
    a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
    4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness,
    that that day should overtake you as a thief.
    5 Ye are all the children of light,
    and the children of the day: we are
    not of the night, nor of darkness.
    6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others;
    but let us watch and be sober.
    7 For they that sleep sleep in the night;
    and they that be drunken are drunken
    in the night.
    8 But let us, who are of the day,
    be sober, putting on the breastplate
    of faith and love; and for an helmet,
    the hope of salvation.
    9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath,
    but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
    10 Who died for us, that, whether
    we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
    11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together,
    and edify one another, even as also ye do.

    The rapture (caught up)/resurrection (gathering)
    is at the beginning of the Tribulation period
    (time of the Anti-messiah)
    FOR IT IS WRITTEN in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (KJV1873):

    Now we beseech you, brethren,
    by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    and by our gathering together unto him,
    2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind,
    or be troubled, neither by spirit,
    nor by word, nor by letter as from us,
    as that the day of Christ is at hand.
    3 Let no man deceive you by any means:
    for that day shall not come, except
    there come a falling away first,
    and that man of sin be revealed,
    the son of perdition;

    I have shown IT IS WRITTEN:
    The Anti-messiah shall reign for 7-years,
    the Tribulation period.
    The rapture (caught up) will follow a resurrection.
    The rapture/resurrection will occur without
    previous notice and before the Tribulation period
    (wrath).
    The rapture (caught up)/resurrection (gathering)
    is at the beginning of the Tribulation period
    (time of the Anti-messiah)
     
  2. ituttut

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    Good questions all Brother Bob. We know Israel was married, and she committed adultery. That “Old man” died. Is there a “New man” in her future?
    For understanding I need to go back a few verses. ”Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2. For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 4. Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God”, Romans 7:1-4.

    Paul identifies to whom he is speaking in Romans 4:1, for Gentile’s don’t know the Law and they did not live under the Law, and they were not to ever be in “bondage” of the Law or the ordinances. But we also know today, we are to understand about the Law and ordinances and steer clear of them.

    It must have been very difficult for the Jew to believe the gospel of Paul, for no self respecting Jew would consider of joining with a Gentile. Paul is addressing here His “brethren”, those of Israel, for they need more intense explanation than we Gentiles of how to enter into the Body of Christ, as a Christian.

    Indications in scripture point to our marriage (joining together) is immediate, for we are now one with Him; finding not somewhere down the road, such as in heaven, where there appears to be no marrying. I find spiritually it happens here, now while we live. We go where He goes. We are one with Him now. Revelation 18:23, ” And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.”
    I don’t disagree with what you say as what goes up will come down. But as far as I can tell we are in the Body of Christ spiritually , and we will in the rapture, dead or alive, meet Him in the air joining with Him. In the “air” is not heaven. From what I see indicated in Revelation 19:7 is the coming together of Israel and the Bridegroom for the wife is mentioned. We, the Bridegroom will marry Israel, we that built on the foundation of Paul, and they that build on the foundation of Peter, of which Jesus Christ is that “Cornerstone”, that “precious cornerstone”, the rejected “stone that became the Head of the corner”.

    Things such as this is what a “dispensationalist” sees as it is revealed. The two foundations on the foundation of Jesus Christ, are the “two gospels” we see preached while the Apostles lived. You being well versed know that James, Peter, Paul and those of the Jewish church at Jerusalem shook hands with Paul, Barnabas and Titus, to not take "their" gospel to the Gentile. Our God of division brings together that which has been “divided”.

    I asked “Me4Him” for further enlightenment on this matter, for he is sure of the correctness of placing the marriage in heaven; and am happy you came forth to assist in that effort. But until stronger proof than what I have been shown comes along, or disproving of what is found in His Word, I’ll stand in His Body “planted together in the likeness of His death, awaiting that likeness of His resurrection.

    Christian faith, ituttut
     
  3. ituttut

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    Amen Brother Edwards. A very good post.

    Christian faith.
     
  4. ituttut

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    Don't know how I missed this EtA. Enjoyed reading, and the work that went into it.

    Christian faith, ituttut
     
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    Hi Mel. Just now noticed I’m referenced here.
    I don’t believe I had input here where I said “Jews will be the Bride of the Lamb”. However I believe it to be true as Israel in the Holy Place, and we in the Holy of Holies, have become one in Christ Jesus, being on the same foundation with no “veil” between. I Corinthians 15:28, ”And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”

    Also how can you dismiss Revelation 21:9 ”……….I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.” And surely we know who this Bride is as we read verse 12, ”And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel. Couple these with verse 14 and we see this Bride is His people Israel – ”And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”

    When all is said and done, the purpose of God was manifested in His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Can you tell how many minutes, hours, or days, or months (as we know them) will be cut-off, as those days will be shortened for the elect’s sake. I can’t find the scripture giving us this information.

    Christian faith, ituttut
     
  6. ituttut

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    CORRECTION PLEASE.
     
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