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The Unpardonable Sin

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Link, Feb 7, 2005.

  1. Lorelei

    Lorelei <img src ="http://www.amacominc.com/~lorelei/mgsm.

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    Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is contributing the works that Jesus Christ did (through the power of the Holy Spirit) while He was here on this earth to the works of Satan.

    Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is NOT attributing the works of man to the work of Satan. Jesus Christ was sinless, perfect. He had been prophesied about and the Jews knew what to look for and yet they still said he was doing those things by the works of Satan!

    Man on the other hand, is sinful. Even a good, moral, born again Christian is not perfect because he still resides in the flesh and continuously battles the flesh. Even if a man did do a work by the Holy Spirit and we called that work satanic, it is not blasphemy of the Holy Spirit because the sinful flesh of a man can give us reason to doubt when he sins and does things wrong.

    We are to judge men by thier fruit and we are to test the spirits and beware of false prophets and teachers. NO Scripture ever tells us that is "extremely dangerous to be quick to speak against prophecies."

    Many false prophets use this very scare tactic to make us believe them. They can't prove their doctrine Scripturally but they say "be careful lest you burn and rot in hell for committing the unpardonable sin." Paul did many miracles in Jesus' name and not once did he threaten anyone with committing some unpardonable sin if they did not believe him.

    Those who searched the Scriptures daily to see if what Paul taught was true were called noble. NEVER did Paul said, be careful lest you come to the wrong conclusion and commit the "unpardonable" sin.

    The unpardonable sin can't be committed in this age, it could only be commited in the age of Christ and the age of His Kingdom yet to come. When you literally see Christ Jesus preform a miracle and then accuse Him of doing so through the Prince of Demons...THEN you have committed the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

    ~Lorelei
     
  2. tamborine lady

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    The unpardonable sin can't be committed in this age, it could only be commited in the age of Christ and the age of His Kingdom yet to come. When you literally see Christ Jesus preform a miracle and then accuse Him of doing so through the Prince of Demons...THEN you have committed the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

    ~Lorelei


    Sorry to disagree but isn't that assuming a lot?

    Couldn't it just as well apply to people today who attribute things that the Holy Spirit does to satan??

    I know that would mean that a lot of people who think they are right would split hell wide open, but isn't it a possibility??

    Peace,

    Tam
     
  3. Lorelei

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    I actually do not think it is assuming alot because it is based upon exactly what the Bible says. It said that Jesus said this because they were accusing HIM of having an evil sprit. Christ was doing His works through the power of the Holy Spirit and they said he was actually doing it through the Satan.

    There is no Scripture anywhere to support that it applies to what the Holy Spirit does through anyone else. The apostles were persecuted and murdered and did many wonderous things through the Power of the Holy Spirit. There is no evidence that they ever considered any of that persecution or rejection "blasphemy." There is also no eveidence that they ever feared anyone questioning them could be in danger of never being forgiven.

    The Scripture warns us that there are false Christs, false apostles and false spirits. We are encouraged to test them, not fear doing so because if we make a mistake we may end up in hell.

    I think it assumes alot to suggest that we should be cautious in testing prophets, when the Bible clearly and OFTEN tells us to beware of the false ones. The Bible NEVER discourages anyone from doing any such thing.

    I obey those words and test these things often. Having done so I see that the Spiritual gifts have ceased and so things being done today in the name of the Holy Spirit are not actually doing those things through the power of the Holy Spirit. I know this because those things do not line up with what Scripture teaches about them. I have no fear in saying this. It did take me a long time before I was willing to make this truthful statement, because I had been taught that if I came to that conclusion I was destined for hell. That simply isn't true and I will no longer let "scare tactics" keep me from speaking that truth.

    ~Lorelei
     
  4. El_Guero

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    Lorelei

    I see no scriptural support for you stance on this passage.
     
  5. El_Guero

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    While I can appreciate your belief that the Holy Spirit no longer works today as He did in the time of Christ, the Holy Spirit was sent as the direct representative of Christ in our lives today.

    If we preach the Word of God and we preach His Christ, then we preach a Gospel of Jesus: Dead, Buried, and Ressurected.
    The traditional interpretation of these passages has been that if one denies Christ and the testimony of the Holy Spirit on this earth, then that person will be judged in Heaven by the sin of blaspheming the testimony of the Holy Spirit.

    Sorry about the hurry.
     
  6. El_Guero

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    Could Link read the responses before answering ... and not drop out sgnificant words?

    Phillip did not say,

    He said,

     
  7. El_Guero

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    I would say that Phillip should have said, that denying the conviction of the Holy Spirit leads to a total unrepentative state. Denying the Holy Spirit leads to a state of heart that when the person is going into death that person would continue to willingly choose to rebel against God's Holy One. That state of unforgiveness by the Blood of Jesus Christ is a state of blaspeheme against the witness and conviction of the Holy Spirit.
     
  8. benz

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    okay I can clarify this.. I personally went throught this very sin. And i will tell you what The lord though his word told me... For a moment the spirt of god was grieved... it is simply talking about the grieving of the holy spirt not the actual cursing or such to the holy spirt.. god knows we are humans...and we make mistakes..

    I commited this sin by accident.. God tested me.. while i was reading the portion.. i heard a wicked voice rebuke the holy spirt.. i felt a deep void but after a month or so of praying I saw that God was testing my heart and infact If you grieved the spirt it means to continually not listen to the spirt of truth... DO NOT LET THE DEVIL CONFUSE YOU AND USE THE SCRIPTURES AGAINST YOU... once again the holy spirt is talking to me..and that void is gone.. confess your sins and God is just to forgive all sins throught the blood of Jesus AMEN

    SELAH PEACE to the high priest and GOD Jesus
     
  9. benz

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    .....once again if you guys would like to know my testimony.. man i really backslided..

    I asked jesus for something he did not grand it to me... so i got got pissed and went to drugs and 'tried the compition'... but luckily God clearly spoke to me and got me back.. now i have kicked all my wicked habits except smoking cigarettes which ill quit very soon...

    anyway what im saying is remember after your born again your adopted as a son/or daughter of the most high God Yahweh through the blood of his Son Jesus. If you confess your sins and ask for forgivness and guideness in the name of Jesus he truly will help you. The lesson I had to learn as a son was to stop being stobborn and learn that God work in mysterious ways and in HIS OWN time...

    please pray for me folks..
    Im back to the sweet wine..and truly this time around i have seen the light thanks to christ... FIRMLY RESIST THE DEVIL IN FAITH FOR YOUR ADVERSARY THE DEVIL IS A ROARING LION .. do not let him decieve you...
    God will only let his children slip so far before he calls them back home is what I learned.. truly i have seen his goodness in my life now...

    Selah peace to the the most high jesus
    Amen... he fcame to forgive all sins.. just remember that... not 1, not 2 all....
     
  10. ICU2YB

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    ~Lorelei, you are correct about the unpardonable sin, as the context of scripture clearly proves, & also about testing, which, as you probably know, is now ecumenically incorrect thanks to the pope & liberal whatevers.

    So keep up the good work!

    Dave
     
  11. Glory2God

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    Lorelei,
    Your right on the money!!! [​IMG]

    Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
    29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

    Don't let these folks talk you out of solid doctrine!!! [​IMG]

    What part of because do you not understand???
    In Greek because means because just because it does!! [​IMG]

    Anyone in the millinium will have their chance to look God right in his eyes and tell him he has a devil. Just the thought of it sends chills down my spine!!!

    Comparing scripture with scripture, the ONLY way to grow!!!!
     
  12. Living4Him

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    There are six sins against the Holy Spirit:
    1. Presumption of God's mercy;
    2. Despair;
    3. Resisting the known Christian truth
    4. Envy at another's spiritual good
    5. Obstinacy in sin;
    6. Final impenitence.

    Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin." There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss." (Mk 3:29; Mt 12:32; Lk 12:10).]

    Why are they called sins against the Holy Ghost?

    Because by them we resist, in an especial manner, the Holy Ghost, since we knowingly and willingly despise, reject, or abuse His grace.
     
  13. Link

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    Jesus said whoever spoke a word against the Spirit would not be forgiven. He said all manner of sin and blasphemy would be forgiven unto men against this.

    He did not say that resisting the Holy Spirit was unforgivable. This would be included in 'all manner of sin' that can be forgiven. Plenty of people have resisted the Spirit, and have repented, and been forgiven.

    Grieving the Spirit is a terrible thing to do, but Jesus did not say that this was unforgivable.

    Jesus said whoever spoke a word against the Spirit would not be forgiven. He did not say that you had to have the Spirit to be able to speak a word against the Spirit. that idea doesn't even make sense. Did the Pharisees who opposed Christ have the Spirit?

    Some people argue that the Pharisees could only be guilty of blaspheming the Spirit because they knew who Christ was. The Bible doesn't teach this either. It is clear that these Pharisees did not believe Jesus the truth about Jesus.

    It seems to me that Jesus' words are just too tough for a lot of people to accept, and so they grasp at straws to interpret them away. We need to get our understanding of things from Christ's teaching, not try to redefine terms in Christ's teachings through semantic gymnastics until they are comfortable for us.

    The Bible does teach us to be on the lookout for false prophets and to test the spirits. One can do that without speaking evil of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said you would know false prophets by their fruits. Balaam prophesied a true prophecy. One prophet who had lied about an angel giving him a revelation gave a true prophecy to the man of God from Judah. It would be foolish to wildly go around caling prophetic and other such things manifestations of demons. False prophets may use the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit passage to manipulate people. But they use other passages, too. We shouldn't reject the truth of scripture simply because false prophets misuse the same scriptures. the Bible still says what it says, no matter what the false prophets say.

    Btw, if 'kicking against the pricks' does not mean having a trouble conscience, what else might it mean? I am certainly open to a better understanding of such things. Paul does say he kept a clear conscience before God. But he did write Romans 7, too, which told of his struggle with the issue of sin. Maybe he kept offering animal sacrifices to deal with this before he knew Christ.
     
  14. tamborine lady

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    Perhaps not recognizing the Holy Spirit when you hear Him is the problem. If one does not know the voice of the Spirit, then perhaps that person is not saved.

    This is not aimed at anyone, it's just meant as food for thought by all.


    Peace,

    Tam
     
  15. tamborine lady

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    What? No comments??

    :(

    (Well, maybe it's just to deep for some.)

    Peace,
    Tam
     
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