scared of ending up in hell because of something

Galatians 6 says "God is not mocked. That which a man sows - that shall he also reap".

Christ said in Matt 7 "Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven - but he who DOES the will of My Father".

Romans 2 says "For it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS WILL BE justified".

And Matt 18 ends with an entire story about "forgiveness revoked" because of one who would not forgive his fellow man. The story ends with these words "So shall my Father do to you if you do not forgive your brother from your heart".

In the Lord's Prayer - Christ ends with these words "For if you do not forgive your neighbor neither will My Father forgive you".

God is not just "whistling dixie" by saying the same thing over and over again.

In 1Cor 6 Paul starts the section on rebellion by saying "do not be deceived" and then he lists the fruitful acts and deeds of rebellion saying that those who practice such things are not going to heaven. (Look up the "be not deceieved" phrase in the NT some time - very "instructive").

Having said that - I don't believe that man was dead or raised from the dead. Is it possible that he was in a coma?

Also - according to 1John 1:9 - God is not in the business of sending Christians to hell if they happen to sin after accepting Christ. BUT if you cling to sin (particularly an unforgiving and unrepentant heart) after being saved - that is another matter.

In Christ,

Bob

 

BTW - In Luke 16 it is CHRIST is the one who is raised from the dead as a sign to the living "and yet" they will not believe.

In Christ,

Bob

 

And this Pastor went to hell ?

[ October 14, 2004, 08:30 AM: Message edited by: Jesus is Lord ]

 

I find the theology of his statement loosely within the bounds of orthodox thought; that is, harboring unforgiveness prohibits one from being fogiven. The whole dead-three-days-and-embalmed-and-in-the-coffin thing, on the other hand, is completely unverifiable and, if I may say so as carefully and lovingly as possible, both unneccesary and suspect.

We have a risen Savior Who has already warned us of the eternal consequences of unforgiveness. I, too, want to be careful to walk in forgiveness, not primarily out of fear of the fires of Hell, but in gratitude and service to the One who has adopted me was His heir. What is the point of making a clear and loving warning from the Savior into a halloween story?

 

Jimbo, if you walk in unforgiveness, are you one of God's "own people?"

Look beyond the label for a minute. In my honest opinion, it doesn't matter very much if a person has made some kind of intellectual assent to the existence of a resurrected Savior if his or her life is not a reflection of that Savior's adoption. The early Church Fathers talked about an "Order of Salvation" which included, but in no way was limited to, justification by faith.

Too many of us nowadays are content to have walked an aisle and have gotten damp to one degree or another with baptismal water, without having affected a real change by the power of the Holy Spirit. Then, when confronted with the reality that who we are and what we do matters a great deal to our Creator and Savior, we are aghast that, even though we say the right things when prompted, God might expect more from us.

 

JimboJones, the story you refer to is a hoax. Interestingly, you have fallen for a common e-rumor. You even stated that he was embalmed. In fact, the man was not embalmed. It turnes out that, as the erumor spread, someone added details to the story that he was embalmed, but that is not the case. In fact, the mortician has publicly denied that any embalming took place.

A close examination of Reinhard Bonnke's theology exposes him as being quite dangerous. He's got the potential of being the next Jim Jones, imo.

 

I just dfid a search on Yahoo. Turned up some interesting opinions. You should give it a look, Jimbo.

 

Here's what one website says regarding this email:

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/r/raisedfromthedead.htm

 

@JimboJones

You are from Europe? Which country are you from?

 

Jimbo I have to say I praise the Lord that God has made you so dilliget and sensitive to be concerned of possibly having the offence of unforgivness. I would like to say when you asked Jesus into your heart he forgave you and has put all your sins as far as the East is from the West.
Ps 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
Now of course we can't go around sinning all the time...(because then one would have to question if we got saved)..but apply what the word says to your life. You know right from wrong and the Holy Spirit will make things known to you thats needs to be straightened out in your life. If it is really bothering you about not forgiving someone (maybe someone in your past or someone who has already passed on?) forgive them any how. Just humbly pray and go to the Father in Jesus name and recall that person, and/or time, and/or event. Tell the Lord you repent of it (turnning away from unforgiveness) and appologize. The Lord knows your heart.
Jimbo you also sound like you are a new in Christ? Don't forget old "Lucy" (the devil) likes to make people question their salvation. Hang in there and get rooted in the Word of God.

BTW, I did watch the video of the Reinhard Bonnke incident....Just showes how powerful the Word of God is! Reinhard didn't touch the man....didn't even know there was a dead man in the basement. I heard his wife brought him there because she believed if she could just get him there he would be raised from the dead. Sounds like the faith of the woman with the issue of blood don't it?

Now if we can get all the living dead to wake up.

Music4Him

 

Amen, continue in the Word and get established.

 

The question remains - even if the incident fails, because we have the Bible.

Is Christ telling the truth?

Is Christ overstating the case?

Should we feel free to quote Him? Believe Him?

In Christ,

Bob

 

I actually saw a video on this man. They interviewed the man, and the doctor that embalmed him. It is not a hoax.

We know that we cannot GAIN salvation by our works, but we also know that God can and will BLOT names out of the Lamb's Book of Life. Therefore, can we say that we might loose our salvation by our works?

Just as Bob said - God is not mocked. What you sow you reap. Your actions demonstrate what you believe.

 

This rumor just keeps getting jucier and jucier. Just hogwash and not a bit of Bible truth to it.

 

Hard to argue when I saw the man for myself on the video. It was produced by the Bonke ministry... so ... either these christians are lying, or this actually happened.

Bonke is doing crusades in Muslim Africa right now... crusades where there were 1.7 million salvations in one 5-day crusade.

 

I went to the link.
Read the whole story.
IMO this is typical of the WOF/Charismatic type folks.
I really do not believe a word of it.
Interesting tidbit...one of the most effective tools of the con man is to provide many details.
And boy does this story have it.
Now this leads me to the question;
If true, then why has the WHOLE world not heard of it? This happened in 2001 if I am not mistaken.
Plenty of time for the world's media to have gotten ahold of it and had a grand old time with it. Why not?
The world's media tells us about the zit Cameron Diaz can't get rid of so why not this fellows "resurrection"?
Answer; It ain't true. Oh and one more thing, 1.7 mil salvations in 5 days? Riiiiiiiiight. In muslim lands? Suuuuuuure.
In His service;
Jim