Order of Events in Revelation

Friends,

I propose the indictment and verdict of the Middle Path's Tribunal, Act Two of the Temple Drama, Seal 7, occurs between the Holocaust of Trump #6 and triumphant Coronation of Christ in Trump #7!

While I am inserting this paragraph at my website on March 28 of 2006, I also wrote in March of 2003, in Meditation #39 that Seals 6 and 7 occur between the 6th and 7th Trumpets.

My actual words were: "The armies of Plagues 6 and 7 cross the Euphrates River before Seals 6 and 7 open and all four of these events occur between the 6th and 7th Trumpets"!

If this order maintains through our discussion,
there can be no Resurrection and Rapture of ALL the Saints until the Beast's armies gather to
Armageddon and the 7th Trumpet sounds that

1) "God's wrath has come" and
2) It's the "appointed time to judge the dead in Christ and to reward the prophets and saints and all who fear God, both small and great, and to destroy the destroyers of earth". Rev.11:18.

The only conclusion we can make is that the
Coronation of Christ, the First Resurrection of Rev.20:4-5 and His "gathering of of all the
Elect from earth to heaven" occur on the Day
He comes to destroy the wicked at Armageddon.

On that Day Christ will be King over all the
nations; but He will reign in heaven as well
as over the earth while the Martyrs "serve God in heaven and reign with Christ in heaven for 1000 years". Rev.20:4-5; Rev.7:14-17.

The Martyrs receive the highest possible reward
given to the Church. They will have three
names, including the name of the New Jerusalem
for 1000 years before the Holy City comes down
upon or over the New Earth. Rev.3:12.

The Lamb will lead the Martyrs into fountains
of living waters in the Temple (Rev.7:17) until the Temple no longer exists. The voice out of the Temple, as of Rev.16:17, proclaims "It is Done" on the Lastday.

One thousand years later the voice coming out of heaven, not from the Temple, but from the New
Jerusalem over the earth, proclaims: "All things are Done". Rev.21:3-6. For there was no longer a temple in the New Jerusalem. Rev.21:22.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Grasshopper,

Here we start at the End for the context.
Then we look back at what "has come"
Rev.16:17 gives us the voice from the
Temple in heaven: "It is Done". Rev.16:17.

Interpreted: "The Last Day has begun"
The Lamb immediately opens Seal Six to
begin the events of the Day of Wrath"!
Number One: "The Day of Wrath has come".
Rev.6:17.

The armies to be destroyed as of the
7th Trumpet and 7th Plague have already
been gathered to Armageddon.

Plague 7, emptied in the air, and Seal
Six START the Last Day in Revelation.
For the text of Rev.16:12-17 immediately
precedes that of Rev.6:12-17.

Mel Miller

 

OldRegular,

On Jan.12, your response to my post on the
Order of Pre-Endtime, Endtime and Lastday
Events, was as follows:
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"Does your First Resurrection occur before the Great Tribulation or after Great Tribulation"?
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Finally, you have stated, as of yesterday, that
you have nothing more to say on this subject
since you totally disagree with my answer to
your question on Christ's reign over both earth
and in heaven during the 1000 years the Martyrs
"serve God and reign with Christ"!
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The Scriptures, of course, speak for themselves.

But NOW, as the first responder to my post on
the much more limited Order of Events beginning with the opening of Seal Six on the LASTDAY, your total respsonse was:
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Does that mean you have no idea of what occurs
after the first reference in Revelation to
what "HAS COME" when God's voice "comes out of
the temple, from the throne, stating:

"IT IS DONE"!! ?????????????

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Grasshopper,

I wish to reiterate the start of events.

You want to start with Rev.1:1 for the
context of the Lastday's order of events.

We should start at the "End" and work
backward from the context which brings us
the voice from the Temple in heaven:
"It is Done". Rev.16:17.

We find the first thing that "Has Come
on the Day of Wrath". Rev.6:17.

The Last Day has begun as the armies are gathered to Armageddon, the 7th Plague
empties in the air and the Lamb immediately opens Seal Six to begin the Day of Wrath"!

Number One: "The Day of Wrath HAS COME".
Rev.6:12-17 immediately follows Rev.16:12-17.

The armies to be destroyed as of the 7th Trumpet
and 7th Plague have already been gathered to
Armageddon. But the 7th Trumpet has not yet
trumpeted that the "appointed time for His wrath
Has Come". The Tribunal of Seal 7 occurs first.

Plague 7 empties in the air and suspends there
for the Tribunal of Seal 7 and then for the 7th
(Last) Trumpet to announce that His Wrath
"has come". Rev.11:18.

While the 7th Plague reveals God's patience has
been exhausted, it remains suspended until the
Tribunal of Seal 7 renders its Verdict.

The warnings of Seal Six continue until the blast of the 7th Trumpet proclaims "God's wrath has come" and also the time for resurrection of the dead in Christ and rewards to the Saints. Rev.11:18.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Brother Bob,

The 7th Trumpet states it is the appointed time
to "judge the dead (in Christ), to reward the
prophets and saints and all who fear God, both
small and great, and to destroy the destroyers of earth" because God's wrath has come. 11:18.

Nothing you have sent in response gives any
indication of a Pre-Trib "judgment and rewards"
to the dead in Christ; including prophets and saints. Jesus will "bring His rewards with
Him when He comes in glory with the angels".
Matt.16:27; Rev.22:12.

I submit my conclusion about your following statement that it is without any Scripture to dispute the action of the Last Trump in Revelation that sounds after "time shall be no
longer" subject to a countdown. All 1260
endtime days will have been completed "in the
(3 1/2) days" before Trump 7 actually sounds.

Your statement:
"This is the wrath of God being pour out on the earth. The saints have already been redeemed from the earth as I see it, not just for a 1000 years but for eternity. Revelation, chapter 16.

I am unimpressed by statements made without any
Scripture to back them up. Sixty to seventy years ago I believed like you do ... likewise without any Scripture to support a Pre-Trub
"gathering of the elect from earth to heaven" as in Mark 13:27 which occurs "in the days after the tribulation".

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Brother Bob,

I agree with you that the time of tribulation is
NOT the same thing as God's wrath.

You are assuming that the Plagues contain God's
wrath. Men are given the option to "repent"
during six Trumpets and five Plagues. God does
not dispense His wrath (which automatically
brings death) until the 7th Trumpet sounds.

The Plagues "complete God's anger (thumos)"; not
His wrath (orgay). The New Jerusalem Bible is
the only Bible that correctly translates the
Greek by stating: "The Plagues exhaust God's
anger". How could the Plagues "complete God's
WRATH" with the Armies of the 6th Plague able
to invade Israel. They will be destroyed only
when Christ comes on the Day of Wrath and first "gathers the elect from earth to heaven after the great tribulation". Mark 13:24-27.

God's wrath does not kill the wicked until
the 7th Trumpet sounds. The Tribunal of Seal 7
condemns them to Hell moments before the 7th
Trumpet sounds that "God's wrath has come"!

So my "assessment of the Scriptures means that
God will pour His wrath" only on the wicked
because no Believer has been appointed to His
wrath. AND I KNOW YOU BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE!!

Keep up your search Bob. You are sincere!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Brother Bob,

This is long; but you are one to appreciate it!

I sensed that you have studied carefully. Would you agree that God's wrath has not been executed
as long as His "judgments are meant to bring men
to repentance"? Rom.2:4.

In the 6th Trumpet and 4th and 5th Plagues, the
wicked refuse to repent and are blaspheming God.
When God's anger + wrath strike the entire earth,
the wicked are still "blaspheming". Rev.16:21.

This anger + wrath occurs after the 7th Plague
empties in the air; not during the Plagues; but
after the Plagues!! Rom.9:22 reveals that God's
longsuffering (makrothumos) continues until the
the Day of Wrath "has come" as of Rev.6:17.

Bob, the Plagues are part of the "long-thumos,
the long-anger", the patience of God. They
"complete His anger" (Exhaust His anger in The
New Jerusalem Bible). Rev.15:1. The Latin
Vulgate substituted "longsuffering" for the Greek "long-anger", makro-thumos.

When does God's "anger (thumos) mix with full
strength in the Cup of wrath (orgay)? Not in
the 6 Plagues while men are allowed to repent
but instead gather unimpeded to Armageddon. God gathers them PRIOR to His wrath (allowing them to kill a third of mankind and to cross the Euphrates just before Christ "comes as a thief"
(Rev.16:15) to destroy them all.

The 7th Trumpet sounds when God's wrath "has
come". Rev.11:18. Seal 6 is the first thing (text-wise) that "has come" on the Day of Wrath. Rev.6:17. The wrath of Trump 7 is the 6th thing that "has come" (haylthen; time-wise and text-wise) on the same Day of Wrath.

The Angel of Fire renders the Verdict for God's Wrath (the Angel "has come" before God, the 5th
of ten things) by casting coals off the Altar to earth. Rev.8:3-5.

The Verdict of the 7th Seal, IMO, occurs on the
same solar Day of Wrath as that of Seal 6; but
by opening the Scroll for the first time and noting that the seven Angels are "prepared to sound" PRIOR to the Verdict of Rev.8:5, it is possible that John's method is to display the evidence from just six Trumpets for about a half hour as the basis for the Verdict symbolized by coals cast to earth. Rev.8:2,5.

If my observation is correct, the 7th Trumpet Angel (the one that does not sound right after the 6th Trumpet holocaust to kill 2 billion; but will sound as soon as the Verdict is rendered) sounds that "God's wrath has come" immediately after the 7th Seal. We jump from 8:5 to 11:15
because Seal 7 and Trump 7 both occur in the
OPEN Temple after the Last Plague empties. 15:8.

John's method is to produce "evidence" after
"time is no longer and God's mystery was
finished". Rev.10:6-7. The Two Prophets finish
their 1260-day task 3 1/2 days prior to the 7th
Trumpet. But Rev.8:6 to Rev.11:11, after which they rise up to witness in the Court Scene of Seal 7 and Dan.7:22, describe events as in a
"flashback" or continued build-up to the Lastday.

The same is true regarding the 7 Last Plagues.
The Martyrs sing that the Plagues had already
"completed God's anger" before John describes
them in detail as the basis for their indictment in song. Then they proclaim it is time for "all
the nations to come to worship God". Rev.15:1-4.

There are several "keys" to this conclusion.
Context-wise, these keys stand out. One: John
switches FROM the aorist tense, indicative
mood in 15:1-4 TO the subjuctive mood in vs.8
because the Plagues were fulfilled when the
7 angels exited the temple to empty their Vials
PRIOR to the Great and Wonderful Sign of 15:1.

Two: "No one can enter the open Temple (as
seen in Rev.7:9 to Rev.8:5 and Rev.11:15-19)
until the last Plague empties in the air". 15:8.

Three: The Storm Theophany after the 7th Seal
repeats itself after the 7th Trumpet and 7th
Plague to show the rapid movement from Seal 7
to Trump 7 to the Cup of Wrath after Plague 7
implodes from the air! 8:5; 11:19; 16:18.

The decisive Key, however, is that "no one can
enter the Temple until the last Plague empties"!

In June of 1993 when I saw this combination of switching from the indicative to the subjunctive mood AND that the 7th Plague must "empty" before the Martyrs "sing" and before they enter the Temple, my focus in the study of Revelation changed drastically. I saw John returning over and over to events of the Lastday as in "after these things" in 15:5 and again in 7:9 for the 3-Act Temple Drama that leads to filling the Cup of Wrath with God's "long-suffering" anger.

Early Church Fathers substituted "wrath" for "anger" since the influence of Plato disallowed any reference to God as One to be subject to the "purterbations of human anger".

That's why translators of the KJV never once translated thumos as "anger". Verify this even in verses where "thumos and orgay" occur ... as
in Col.3:8 and Eph.4:31. The most devastating error of translating these two words occurs in Rev.14:10! NASB has God's wrath mixing in a Cup
of Anger instead of Anger in the Cup of Wrath!

And all Bibles but the New Jerusalem Bible have the Plagues "completing God's anger" before
that Anger fills the Cup of Wrath and Christ
comes simultaneously to "tread the winepress
in both anger and wrath"; the winepress that
was first filled with overripe fruit of God's
great anger. Rev.14:19-20 anticipates 19:15!

But, since both the reaping and the treading occur on the same solar day, I agree to calling this overripe fruit "the grapes of wrath"!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Brother Bob,

One paragraph I wrote needs a correction for an
error that contradicts the facts. I wrote:

"And all Bibles but the New Jerusalem Bible have the Plagues "completing God's anger".

I should have written that all Bibles have the
Plagues "completing God's wrath" before His
Anger fills the Cup of Wrath and Christ comes
simultaneously to "tread the winepress in both anger and wrath"; the winepress that was first filled with overripe fruit of God's great anger. Rev.14:19-20 anticipates" the anger and wrath of Rev.19:15!

The Greek text uses "thumos" of the plagues in Rev.15:1 and 16:1 and should be translated as "anger" instead of "wrath".

It stands to reason, from Rev.15:8, that since
"no one enters the Temple until the last Plague
empties", the 7th Trump therefore sounds after the 7th Plague empties because the Temple was OPEN". Rev.11:19.

It also stands to reason, since God's wrath
has NOT come until the 7th Trumpet, the Last
Plague must empty PRIOR to God's wrath that
is proclaimed in the 7th Trumpet!

It further makes sense that God's wrath is
not completed in the Plagues since Christ must come from heaven "as a thief" before He "treads the winepress in anger and wrath". Rev.19:15.

The reaping of these armies into the winepress
occurs at the hour of God's "great anger" since
the word is "mega thumos" in Rev.14:19. The
Reaping of tares must occur before the righteous can be reaped. Matt.13:30. So the armies are literally gathered to Armageddon before the Elect are "gathered from earth to heaven after the great tribulation". Mark 13:24-27.

Finally, the combination of anger + wrath is not
found until after the Last Plague empties in the
air. See Rev.16:19 and Rev.19:15.

Both of these texts are fulfilled after Christ appears "as a thief". This is corroborated by Jesus in Luke 21:34-35 where the Day of total Destruction comes "suddenly as a snare on all the inhabitants on all the face of all the earth" after they "see the Son of Man appear and men's hearts fail from fear". Luke 21:25-27.

His coming "as a thief" is "sudden" and as a
snare" in I Thess.5:3 and in Rev.19:15. Men will
be saying "peace and safety" because the Beast
will have killed the two Prophets and his armies
will have killed two billion people and by the
(claimed) miraculous power of the False Prophet
will make the Euphrates River dry so the armies
may cross into Israel to destroy God's people!!

For these reasons, at least in the eyes of the
Beast, False Prophet and these wicked soldiers,
the Wrath of God has not yet fallen upon them!

Wrath brings total Destruction to the wicked on
the Day Christ is "revealed from heaven" to
destroy armies stetched out over 180 miles. Luke 17:29-30; 2 Thess.1:7-10; Rev.14:20.

At the same time, anger + wrath pours out of
the Cup of Wrath to complete the destruction of the mountains and cities of earth and to move the Islands out of place that began a few hours
earlier (at noon; Amos 8:9) on the same Last Day in which God's wrath "has come". Rev.6:14; Rev. 16:20. So, yes, translating THUMOS properly
requires the exhaustion of God's patient anger
before it fills the Cup of Wrath.

Mel www.lastday.net

 

Friends,

I believe that God's patience with the wicked
ends when the "voice comes out of the Temple,
from the Throne, saying: 'It is Done'". 16:17.

That means the Plagues continue to allow
men to gather to Armageddon before His
anger turns to wrath.

God is "longsuffering" until the Day of Wrath, until the "sun turns dark, the moon to blood and a great earthquake causes 7 classes of men to cry out for the rocks to hide them from that wrath and from the wrath of the Lamb". 6:17.

I believe these 7 classes will be hiding in the
mountains from fear at the invasion of millions
of soldiers into Israel. It is only with the
great earthquake on the Lastday that they are
filled with fear that seeks escape from God's wrath. This agrees with Luke 21:34-36 where
those who are unsaved have their final chance
to believe in Christ or perish when He appears.

Mel www.lastday.net

 

Friends,

Because God's patience continues until six
trumpets and six plagues have proved that
the wicked refuse to repent, it is only
when the Last Plague empties in the air
that His anger moves quickly to the point
of no return and it "fills the cup of wrath".

There is no mention of "anger + wrath" until
the last plague empties.
Mel www.lastday.net

 

Friends,

One week has passed since I made the observation
that "no mention of `anger + wrath' occurs until
the last plague empties" in the air.

For this reason alone, it is a false statement
(in all Bibles except The New Jerusalem Bible)
that "the plagues complete God's wrath"!! Rev.15:1.

The Plagues "exhaust God's anger" (thumos);
then that anger "mixes full strength in the
Cup of God's wrath" (orgay). Rev.14:10; Rev.16:18-21.

The 7th Plague remains suspended in the air
and the warnings of the 6th Seal continue until the 7th Trumpet sounds that "God's wrath has
come". Then the 7th Plague's contents implode!

The Day of Wrath begins with Seal 6.
The Trial of the wicked occurs in Seal 7.
The Time appointed to destroy the "destroyers of
earth occurs as of the 7th Trumpet". Rev.11:18.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net