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why is hell so terrible?

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by JimboJones, Nov 16, 2004.

  1. Lori

    Lori New Member

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    Well I had something really good to say and had it typed out, but since I'm not feeling too good today I didn't think it made a lick of sense.

    So I'll just say keep on smilin and remember that you are being prayed for by many.

    azwyld
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    oh and ps print this out and stick it somewhere you will see it practically everytime you turn around so you 1)won't forget, and 2)you will feel comforted and blessed.
     
  2. Claudia_T

    Claudia_T New Member

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    First of all, unfortunately, the popular Christian view of Hell is a false one. God does not torture human beings in Hell forever and ever. This false idea which is unbiblical, has caused many to either hate God unjustly or else go insane at the thought of being tortured in Hell forever. This is so sad because the false view of Hell has driven so many unbelievers away from Christianity.

    Please read a few passages from the Bible about this subject and see what the Bible really teaches about Hell:


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    Regarding the wicked, what question does Peter ask?
    "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God; and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" 1 Peter 4:17.

    What does Paul say is the wages of sin?
    "For the wages of sin is death." Rom. 6:23 (Eze. 18:4). NOTE. - Die. - To cease to live; to expire; to decease; to perish. - Webster.

    What will be the character of this death?
    "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power." 2 Thess. 1:9 (Acts 3:23) (Matt. 10:28).
    NOTE. - Destroy. - To kill; to slay; to ruin; to put an end to. - Webster.

    What does the Saviour say will befall those who do not repent?
    "I tell you, Nay; but, except ye repent, ye shall all like wise perish." Luke 13:3 (1 Cor. 1:18) (Job 20:4-6). NOTE. - Perish.- To die; to lose life; to wither and decay; to be destroyed; to come to nothing; to be blotted from existence. - Webster.

    In what condition does the apostle say they shall thus perish?
    "But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption." 2 Peter 2:12.

    To what are the wicked in their punishment compared?
    "But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the lord shall be as the fat of lambs; they shall consume, into smoke shall they consume away." Ps. 37:20.
    NOTE. - Consume. - To destroy by separating the parts of a thing by decomposition, as by fire, etc.; to bring to utter ruin; to exterminate. - Webster.

    What will be the results of this punishment?
    "As the whirlwind passeth, so is the wicked no more; but the righteous is an everlasting foundation." Prov. 10:25.

    Will any part of them be left?
    "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch." Mal. 4:1.

    What will then be their condition?
    "For as ye have drunk upon My holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually; yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been." Obad. 1:16.

    Where will the place of the wicked then be?
    "For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be; yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be." Ps. 37:10.
    NOTE. - It would be difficult to keep the wicked in eternal torment without any place even, in which to exist.

    The earth in its present condition is and has been the place of the wicked. Where will they receive their recompense, death, which is the wages of sin?
    "Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth; much more the wicked and the sinner." Prov. 11:31.

    How is this accomplished?
    "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city; and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." Rev. 20:9

    Do the wicked go directly to this punishment at death? If not, when do they receive it?
    "The lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished." 2 Peter 2:9 (Job 21:29, 30).

    The earth, the sinner's "place," has been cursed with sin. To what is that reserved?
    "But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." 2 Peter 3:7.

    What will be the result of this fire on the earth?
    "Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat." 2 Peter 3:12.

    What does our Saviour call the earth when in this condition?
    "The Son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire." Matt. 13:41, 42.

    After the burning of the earth, what is to come?
    "Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." 2 Peter 3:13.
    NOTE. - The "place" of the wicked no longer exists. That, too, will be gone.

    But where will the righteous then be found?
    "Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father." Matt. 13:43.

    What promise of the Saviour's will at that time be verified?
    "Blessed are the meek; for they shall inherit the earth." Matt. 5:5.

    What universal song will be sung?
    "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever." Rev. 5:13.



    Everlasting Punishment

    When the wicked have once received their punishment, how enduring will be its effect?
    "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment; but the righteous into life eternal." Matt. 25:46.

    What is the punishment for sin?
    "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom. 6:23.
    NOTE. - This is the very opposite of eternal life. Everlasting punishment, then, is everlasting death, a death that lasts forever.

    How many deaths are there for the wicked?
    "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murders, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death." Rev. 21:8.
    NOTE. - Good and bad men are alike subject to the first death, but this is a temporal death, which lasts only till the resurrection. After the cases of all men are settled in the judgment, the wicked then die the second death, which is eternal in its effects.

    In this fire will there be torment? and how long will it last?
    "He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever." Rev. 14:10, 11.
    NOTE. - The Greek term translated in this text "forever and ever," has different meanings; according to the connection in which it is used, such as, duration, finite or infinite; unlimited duration, past or future; time, age, lifetime; the world, universe. Greenfield.

    How is the term understood in the case of certain Hebrew servants?
    "His master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him forever." Ex. 21:6.
    NOTE. - He could not serve his master longer than he lived.

    For how long a time did Samuel's mother lend him to the Lord to serve in the temple?
    "I will bring him, that he may appear before the Lord, and there abide forever." "Therefore also I have lent him to the Lord; as long as he liveth he shall be lent to the Lord." 1 Sam. 1:22, 28.
    NOTE. - In this case it is definitely stated to be ''as long as he liveth." Had Samuel lived only a week or a month, the "forever" would have been limited to a week or a month. It is evident that the term "forever" often means "limited duration."

    How long was Jonah carried in the whale's belly through the depths?
    "I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me forever." Jonah 2:6.
    NOTE. - In this case "forever" is limited to three days.

    What is the nature of the fire into which the wicked will finally be cast?
    "Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, De- part from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his angels." Matt. 25:41.

    What is said of this fire in another place?
    "He will thoroughly purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the garner; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." Matt. 3:12.
    NOTE. - The fire is said to be everlasting because it is not "quenched." If fire is quenched after taking hold upon a house, the structure is saved; but if the fire is unquenchable, it does for the house just what the last quoted text says it will do with the chaff (the wicked) namely burn it up. Such a fire is called "everlasting," because it lasts as long as there is anything for it to prey upon, and because its results are everlasting.

    Has everlasting or eternal fire ever been visited upon men in the past?
    "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude 7.

    What was the result of this eternal fire upon those cities?
    "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly." 2 Peter 2:6.
    NOTE. - "Everlasting" fire converted these cities into ashes, and the apostle says they were made an ensample to those who should after live ungodly. We cannot for a moment suppose that those cities are now burning; for the saline waters of the Dead Sea rollover the very spot where they stood.

    What will be the final effect of this fire on the wicked?
    "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power." 2 Thess. 1:9.

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    To find out more about the true Biblical doctrine of "Hell" go here:

    http://www.religiouscounterfeits.org/hellfire.htm


    To listen to an exciting sermon online about the Biblical Truth about Hellfire by Pastor David Asscherick, click this Link: The Good News About Hell and listen!
    http://www.3abn.org/media/archives/index.html#sermons
     
  3. dianetavegia

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    Well, Claudia, it's clear you've not been reading here. We just went through this a few weeks ago and very VERY few will agree with you. Is that a Seventh Day Adventist belief? Certainly NOT Baptist!

    Diane
     
  4. DHK

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    Yes, Claudia is SDA and believes in soul sleep and annihilation of the wicked, both of which are heretical, unbiblical doctrines with no foundation in Scripture. The Scripure used is out of context and not properly exegeted.
    DHK
     
  5. Claudia_T

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    The JW meets the Doubter. This should be good.

    When you're desperate you will beg even for the smallest amount. Same with the rich man who had everything in his earthly life, but begged for a mere drop of water in the next.
     
  8. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    Partly right.

    #1. Since He has created a free will universe His laws have to make sense and have to be upheld. This is why Christ must PAY the debt owed to forgive sinners rather than simply "forgetting about it". And this is also why the lost suffer as part of the second death - suffering that equals the amount of debt owed for each sin.

    #2. Since He has created a free will universe - He can not simply "zap the wicked" so that they will "no longer be wicked and can be happy in heaven that obeys the laws of God". So even without the suffering penalty required in #1 above - He could not take them in and still have a free will system.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  9. BobRyan

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    Basically - God's Word obligates Him to hold true to it. There are some who argue that God pays no attention to what He says in His Word - but that is simply not true. The justice and faithfulness of God is demonstrated by the fact that He is true to His Word.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  10. A_Christian

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    The obvious difference is that Christians will spend an eternity with GOD and I beleive that the memory of bad and sad things will be erased.

    The non-believer will see GOD's glory at the Final Judgment and then will be sent away to a place without GOD's Glory, to exist alone. And the ONLY thing the non-believer will have are memories to ponder---the WHAT IFS or WHAT MIGHT & COULD HAVE BEENS----if only ................................... ....................................................
     
  11. BobRyan

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    In Rev 14:10 we are told that the torment of the wicked (yes of our precious loved ones that did not choose life) will take place "IN the presence of the LAMB and His Holy ones".

    We will be there for every bit of it.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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