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I don't get it

 

Scripture says in Matt 25-13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

So I agree with Monergist, what are you talking about?

Tam

 

1. Show us from this portion of Scripture that " the Day" is refering to the Rapture.

2. What is the point of this thread.

By the way, I do believe in a rapture of the church, just want to know how the rapture is seen as the day here.

 

This same book of Hebrews will tell you after Jesus there's no 'chance' again for salvation. It says when Jesus comes again He will not deaL with sin again - finish, the end! This nonsense of a rapture contradicts the Scriptures from start to finish. With the Church of all time, I confess He shall come again to judge those living and also those who are dead. There will be only one resurrection, and it will occurr that day, "THE FEARFUL DAY OF THE LORD". He's not gonna give anybody a 'second chance' - you either believe Him now and is saved, or not, and is damned!

 

So, PN, please tell us how we are to find this day? How do you propose that we find this date??



Tam

 

A "distinction without a difference" as Hank likes to say.

There is no Bible teaching on "the rapture vs the 2nd coming" because in scripture it is all the return of Christ who said in John 14 "IF I GO I will COME AGAIN".

The Rapture aspect just addresses the act of God in 1Thess 4 in raising the saints up in the air AT HIS COMING AGAIN. The fact that HE COMES AGAIN to do it - is not "a new aspect" - it is the same thing.

So in Rev 20 the FIRST resurrection future to John's day is that one that STARTS the 1000 years (just as the text says) and it is the SAME one in 1Thess 4 which Paul calls the resurrection of the "dead in Christ".

It is all the same event - which means that you can not know that exact day or hour until the event.

In Christ,

Bob

 

There are no "two resurrections of the righteous" mentioned in the entire book of 2 Timothy - let alone 2Tim 4.

2 Tim 4
1 I solemnly charge you;

A -- in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,

AND

B -- by His appearing and His kingdom:

(vs 2) preach the word

This is a "charge" given to Timothy to preach and Paul identifies two facts/events about Christ.

A - That Christ judges the living and the dead. (1Peter 4:5, 2Cor 5:10 "We must ALL appear before the judgment seat of Christ")

B - That Christ appears

The judgment of the living and the dead happens before Christ appears (Rev 14:6-7)- and does not require a resurrection.

"The Dead" that are judged after the 1000 years "AFTER" the first resurrection - Rev 20:12 is not this previous Rev 14:6-7 event that happens while the wicked and the righteous are still on earth (as we see in Rev 14).

In Christ,

Bob

 

Strongs says for "day" here
(parden my incomplete Greeek set,
maybe it will look alright on your
screed?):

hēmera
hay-mer'-ah
Feminine (with G5610 implied) of a derivative of ἧμαι hēmai (to sit; akin to the base of G1476) meaning tame, that is, gentle; day, that is, (literally) the time space between dawn and dark, or the whole 24 hours (but several days were usually reckoned by the Jews as inclusive of the parts of both extremes); figuratively a period (always defined more or less clearly by the context): - age, + alway, (mid-) day (by day, [-ly]), + for ever, judgment, (day) time, while, years.

As in other Bible prophecy, the term "Day"
means "the appropriate time" not the 24-hour legal
day, the 8-hour work day, the 12-hour period
of light day, nor the 48-hour DATE day.

BTW, most dictionaries don't mentione it but a
date like 2 Feb 2005 lasts throughout the earth
a total of 48-hours. At any one point such a
day lasts 24-hours, but throughout the whole earth the
day lasts for 48-hours.

 

Do not find it. Trust Christ
for salvation and the day will find you.



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Matthew 24:36 (HCSB = The Holman Christian Standard Bible)
Now concerning that day and hour no one knows--neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son --except the Father only.

BTW, here "day" = the appropriate time
and "hour" = the appropriate time.
Ain't God's economy (dispensation) wonderful?
1 day = 1 hour

(over in 2 Peter 3:8 1 day = 1,000 years)

There are enough clues in the Bible that
given the pretribualtion rapture/resurection
having taken place i can tell you to the
24-hour day when the Antichrist will commit
the Abomination of Desolation by declaring
in a physical Temple in a physcial Jerusalem
that the antichrist is God. Given
the pretribulaltion rapture/resurreciton
date (the one nobody knows now but all will
know AFTER THE FACT) i can tell you within
a month 7 years later when Jesus will come
in power and glory to defeat the antichrist
and set up the physical Millinnial kingdom.

So it is no for us to know the timeing
of the Rapture/resurrection relative to now
but we can know it relative to the
meany other events of Bible Prophecy.
So if you would like some signs read
Matthew 24:4-14 which are the signs that
the Church Age (Gentile Age, age of grace, etc)
is continuing and that the special period
of Jewish nation salvation called: the
Tribulation, is not upon us yet.

 

In Matthew 24:32-35

Jesus gives the parable of the fig tree.

I believe that we are living in the last days, and that Day is close at hand. (Now close could be today or tomorrow, or 1000 years from now)

However the point I think should be, As Christians, we need to continue to meet together, to encourage, lift up and suppport one another as we are living in a ever increasing culture of hatred towards us.


God Bless

 

Hummmmm.... And here I thought we were still going through tribulation/the last days now? When Peter quoted Isaiah in Acts 2 it kinda gives me the idea it started then. If not...
I will agree with what EdEdwards said to Tam.

 

I agree. Acording to the aplication of Isaiah in Acts 2, this has been the last days sence penticost. There is no way of knowing how much longer we have, we are commanded to be ready and expectant, just as Paul and the early church.

 

PN said: I can't give you the exact Day now, but you may be able to figure out the year it occurs.

Thats what I thought you would say. Because you probably know as well as the rest of us that when you set a date, that is when we all know that you are not correct.

I Acts 1-7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

That was one of the last things Jesus told us before he went up and was taken out of their sight.

Only the Father knows when Jesus is coming back.

Peace,

Tam

 

Does anyone know of Scriptures stating we cannot know the timing of the Rapture?
Does anyone know of Scriptures stating the rapture?
You've already raptured your whole argument - there's no such thing in the Scriptures as the rapture.
Simply to assume a non entity does not prove it ar anything you may deduce from your first assumption.
It's talking nonsense.