Would another contry be justified attacking the US?

Glad you finally figured out what the rest of us have known since September of 2001.

So please explain why Bush went after UBL/Al Quaeda's ENEMY, Saddam Hussein/Iraq, rather than the real culprits.

 

So, are you saying that Al Quaeda and UBL were not the ones who attacked America from their operation in Afganistan? Or, are you now saying that Al Quaeda was not merely confined to the borders of Afganistan and therefore, Bush was correct in going after those other countries, including Iraq, that supported and harbored terrorists? Wasn't the old CP rhetoric that we took our eye off the ball in Afganistan? Which is it? Or, are we still holding on to the looney tune theory that Bush is the one who attacked America on 9-11? Whichever way the wind blows, I figure that is the direction the CP faithful will go.

Joseph Botwinick

 

"So, are you saying that Al Quaeda and UBL were not the ones who attacked America from their operation in Afganistan?"

Your subject knowledge and reading comprehension level are both remarkably poor.

If you were better versed on this subject, you would know that Osama bin Laden and his family are Saudi Arabians by birth.

Now please go pick up a copy of Dore Gold's book immediately, and read it thoroughly. You are in great need of the education it will give you.

 

Where was UBL when he ordered those attacks?

What nationality was Tim Mcviegh?

Why don't you answer my questions instead of making personal attacks on my intelligence?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Mr. Botwinick once again proves himself a <personal attack snipped>.

He has failed to address virtually every point I have presented, and frequently makes personal attacks on CP members by referring to them as "conspiracy looney-tunes".

The Botwinick pot once again calls the kettle black!

[ January 10, 2005, 12:27 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

Their theories are looney tunes. There is a difference between attacking ideas, and not people. Do you understand that difference?

Joseph Botwinick

 

The official administration story about what happened on 9/11 is a theory as well because it hasn't been proven. In fact, even when errors are obvious, like the BBC finding that 7 of the 19 hijackers are alive, there is no change in the official story. So why do you accept the looney official theory?

 

We haven't force anyone to accept democracy - except perhaps our own oppressors which we overthrew to gain our own independence - but we're willing to help those that want to when it's mutually beneficial. Iraq and Afghanistan are two such nations wherein many people - the majority - want to give democracy a try.

You have to believe in freedom to want it and fight for it. You have to fight just as hard - and not only on the battlefield - to keep it. We believe it so much that we're more than willing to help others gain it if there's a reasonable chance they can.

Let's not confuse democracy with culture. Democracy is a form of government that permits the people to decide how they want to be governed and maintain control of that government. It is a highly desirable alternative to tyrants or terrorists ten out ten times.

Culture is something else altogether that may certainly impact the way in which democracy is implemented but all peoples have historically faired far better in a democracy. We're not forcing Iraq and Afghanistan to adopt our culture. They wouldn't accept that anyway!

Every nations can make their own decisions about when they want to use force. Several have in times past decided that tyranny was a better choice for others around them and they ended up paying dearly for it. Some have since become far better from the painful lessons learned. Others are still unconvinced and suffering in their own ways.

Our government - despite the fallibility of the governors and the governed - is most certainly not a "wicked government". It is not perfect in all that it does but it is far better than any other known to man. Government is not the only deciding force in our nation. Morality does not come from government. In a democracy the morality of government servants and leaders is reflected by that of those whom it serves. The ballot determines whom will serve and how they'll do so. It is all within the power of the citizens to chance.

The wickedness we see is not from government but from the citizens who are governed and some whom they choose to lead them. All the evil we see comes from our own hearts. We need not blame those who lead us as we only need to see in our own hearts and observe those around us.

Abortion is wrong and it should not be endorsed by any government. It is murder and we know it. That, however, does not make our government "wicked" by comparison to others. Abortion would stop tomorrow if people stopped using it.

America must remain free to make the decisions we deem correct for our own interests. The conduct of or the approval of one or a body of nations - including the United Nations - must not be our guide. We must decide when it is best to take aggressive action against another nation reserving that for those times when other methods fail, the risks are manageable, and the benefits worth the cost. We must use our strength wisely knowing that all we have is a blessing from God. We must not become arrogant nor boisterous yet we must not fail to act when the time is right. We must strive to be a righteous, generous, and compassionate nation even while carrying and using the sword of justice.

We must be a Godly people if we have any hope of keeping that which we've been given for our descendants.

 

Mr. Botwinick once again proves himself a <personal attack snipped>.

He has failed to address virtually every point I have presented, and frequently makes personal attacks on CP members by referring to them as "conspiracy looney-tunes".

The Botwinick pot once again calls the kettle black! </font>[/QUOTE]I enjoy Joseph's comments and find them to be based on intelligent analysis of the subject matter.

Patrick

 

Thank you, CC, for taking the time to post the documentation proving my assertion about Saudi Arabia is correct. But I guess you've found out around here that certain people will never relinquish the views they hold so dear, even in the face of defeat. Bwaahhhaaa!

 

That's true but we can still hope that some day those "certain people" will come around to the truth.

Therefore, I hope Joseph and others of like mind will keep right on preaching that truth!

Patrick