did Enoch die ?

I can read, can you? Heb 11:13 does not say that Enoch DIED!

Read Hebrews 11:5-'By faith Enoch was taken away SO THAT HE DID NOT SEE DEATH...

You deny what the Scripture said, clearly the these in verse 13 those except for the one that the Scripture excludes from those who died.

I cannot believe you are disagreeing with what the Scripture says--incredible.

No it says that God took him--where do you suppose He took him? I guess he just went into a state of non-being

BTW--You might have many who would argue with you that the Apostle Paul is the author of Hebrews. That is not for now, but just a thought.

Bro Tony

 

What God did with Moses has nothing to do with what happen to Enoch. The Bible says that Moses died and God buried him. It does not say any thing like that about Enoch. Also there no indication that Moses was "translated". Again you add to the Scripture what is not there.

Bro Tony

 

Very true.

Better to just believe the Word.

In Christ,

Bob

 

In Hebrews 9 we find "it is appointed unto man once to die and then comes the judgment".

So in Heb 11 when the SAME author says that Enoch was taken by God so "that he should NOT see death" -- this is a clear reference to the SAME idea the SAME author has just stated in chapter 9.

Enoch did not die.

And in 2Kings 2- Elijah REALLY IS taken up to heaven - he too "does not die".

In 1Thess 4 "Those who ARE ALIVE and remain" are ALSO caught up together with them in the air ... to be with Christ WHERE He is - in His Father's house where there are many rooms - WHERE Jesus said He was going in John 14.

It is really that easy to understand - believe it or not.

In Christ,

Bob

 

You are correct - the Bible does not state the Enoch went to Heaven. But your original question is "did Enoch die?" The obvious answer is NO, as is plainly written in Scripture, and an answer which you argue against, even going so far as to claim that "God buried Enoch."

 

Nice try. But your statement makes no sense in the context of Scripture either in Genesis or Hebrews. Are you saying Enoch is the only one in the list in Hebrews you believe will avoid the SECOND DEATH?

In context the death talked about in Heb 11, is physical.

Bro Tony

 

wopik,

When you consider the context of the passage, it is easily understood and clear to see that when the writer of Hebrews says "these all died in faith," he is refering to certain individuals in the passage -- those who were expecting the "promise." Enoch is not included with those folks.

Hebrews 11:13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Read it again with this in mind. The author just stated that Enoch did not see death. Why would he then say the opposite? He wouldn't and he didn't.

Enoch did not die. Accept it.

 

Wow that is easy to understand! Hmm - I wonder how we can make it more difficult?

No way? Ok then - clearly Enoch did not die because God "took him up" to heaven.

In Christ,

Bob

 

wopik,

Let's say that you are correct and Enoch did die...

Please inform us all of the implications and ramifications of this 'fact'...

How does it affect your salvation?

How does it affect your hope?

Is tasting death something you look forward to?

 

wopik,

Your problem is a fundametal misunderstanding of what we call CONTEXT. When the writer of Hebrews says "these all died in faith" he is refering to (I'll point it out yet again...) those who not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. My ... I wonder who that could be? Maybe Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and Sara??

You can't pull a verse out of context and build your theology around it. Doesn't work. Especially when the very verse (v.5) completely contradicts what you're trying to convince others to believe.

 

I just can't believe this topic is on page 4 of whether or not Enoch died......
Hey wopic he didn't but....some that are hinting at Revelations of the 2 witnesses might be on something? Because God cannot lie and if it is appointed for all men to die and there is only a 2nd death...and if Enoch and Elijah was taken and didn't die then....

well you belive what you want.

Music4Him

 

there is a simple reason why Enoch died.

Flesh cannot inherit (enter) heaven.

our physical 3 dimensional form cannot exist in the spirit realm. spirit is invisible, formless and non molecular (non-physical).

If Enoch was to go to heaven. his soul/spirit would have to exit his body. his physical body just doesnt disapprear. thats not how molecules act in this physical realm. matter cant be destroyed.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

this physical world is based on entropy and molecular decay. It is corrupt and will someday not operate on the same laws.

heaven was not available for Enoch to Go to anyway. heaven is existing joined spiritually with christ. and his spirit wasnt available to be joined with any man until his death and resurrection some 3000 years into Enochs physical future. His body would have gone into the grave and his soul/spirit return back to God. no physical body would have been preserved for any known reason.

If we must present men "reappearing" into their future. lets remind ourselves that Elijah wrote letters 10+ years after his reported translation into a "whirlwind". moses died physically. and in a
vision, both elijah and moses were revealed to peter,john etc...

Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

those guys seen by witnesses were a "vision". they were not real.

and the two witnesses in revelations are seen in a "vision" by John also.
no "figures" seen in Johns vision was real.
yet they were spiritual symbols or representations of some futuristic events.

 

Me2---how do you account for the Rapture---you know, the verse---"We shall not all sleep but we will be changed----escaping death!

How do you account for the verse---O Death, where is thy sting???

And that wasn't no vision Peter saw on the Holy Mount that day!!!
Blackbird