Heard of Ian Paisley?

Smoke_eater,
I later re-defined my remarks to say most Conservative Christians consider Bob Jones University as an honored university. You, by your profile, are SBC, which are quite liberal. Their seminaries any way have become very liberal. It is not very astonishing that you make the remarks about BJU that you do. There is no loss of love between the SBC and BJU.
The history of racism is slander. I have seen first-hand people of other races there. They believed until very recently that their students should not date inter-racially. I don't call that racism. There may be some wisdom in that if you think it through. However, in recent years they changed that ruling also. Your statement is slanderous.

"Blacks just unworthy" Now who is making inciting inflammatory statements? Care to document this.
Dr. Bob Jones gave an interview, nation-wide on CNN's Larry King, explaining in great detail their stand. Such statements are uncalled for. It sounds like you're the one that has a chip on the shoulder.

"Evidently, he recieved his degrees from schools that were not accredited to bestow such upon him."
--And what's that got to do with the price of tea in China, or the ordination of a preacher. Bob Jones University is still an unaccredited institution. Many preachers have gone forth from there and have been ordained. BTW, that's where Billy Graham got his education.

Accreditation does not have anything to do with whether or not a person is entitled to the degree earned. Where do you get that from? If a school chooses not to be accredited, such as BJU, that is their business. It has no reflection on either ordination or the degrees earned. You're way off base here.

"Many of the schools that I have taught in are not recognized by the government either."
A matter of faculty, no doubt
No, it was a matter of choice on the school's part. It was an issue of separation of school and state.

"What accrediting bodies sanction these schools"
--It depends. Quite often secular or government controlled.

Who are you to judge Paisley's fruit since you are already biased against him. He faithfully preaches the gospel, and stands for the truth. If I put myself in BJU's shoes they would probably say that though there may be some good people in the SBC, the great majority of them are no doubt still unsaved. They are a liberal Baptist organization. If you judge Paisley so harshly, expect the same judgement of yourself.

I didn't say you were unfamiliar with Revelation 17. Read some of the Protestant commentaries of Revelation 17. I even read a Catholic commentary where they admitted that the whore of Babylon referred to papal Rome. Quite an admission isn't it?
DHK

 

And he's off.... topic that is.

Bob Jones University
the SBC
the whore of babylon
who's liberal
who's saved

every thing execpt the topic - Ian Paisley.

One more time DHK, do you condemn this man's actions when it comes to encouraging violence against others.

A simply yes or no, without qualifications and excuses will do.

The whole board is watching.

 

You're not the only one this board T2U. I have answered what others have been objecting too as well.

In answer to your question I don't condone violence of anykind. Neither am I naive enough to believe everything that the leftist media and the Catholic media, and the anti-Paisley media tell me. There are two sides to every story. Concerning one particular violent event, the Catholics had their version and Paisley had his. Who do you think I would be more likely to believe: an institution with a history of cover-up as recent as today's on-going perverted sexual cover-ups in the Catholic Church, or someone who preaches the gospel? I know where I will go for my information. I do not believe that Paisley deliberately incites people to violence. I do not believe that he is in favor of protestant para-military groups engaged in violence. At the same time I know that he does not want an ecumenical union (as he would call it) between the Catholics and the Protestants.
DHK

 

What anti-Paisley media?

What have you ever read negative aboout this guy anywhere except for the single web page that I provided?

What exactly is the basis for your disbelief concerning Paisley and violence against Catholics when you previoulsy admitted to not actually knowing anything about the situation? From what you have written above, you seem to form your beliefs and conclusions from personal bias.

As I said, were he anything other than a fundamentalist the cry of condemnation would be deafening.

[ July 27, 2002, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: trying2understand ]

 

Thanks Smoke. In my experience, even in conservative circles, BJU (even the name is humorous ) isn't taken seriously as anything other than an indoctrination center for the farthest fringe.

Joshua

 

I stand corrected as to your previous statement. My apologies for my inaccuracy.

Now, again, what anti-Paisley media?

What have you previously read about him that was negative?

What is the basis for your disbelief concerning him and his involvement in violence against Catholics?

BTW, I do not believe that you have actually discredited the web page which I gave.

To say that Paisley received an honorary degree would not be the "misinformation" and "lies" that you previously claimed, would it?

 

And you would still be wrong.

Good grief! If my church and those in our local assoc are "liberal", how in the world do you define liberal?

As far to the right as you are, you're practically off the chart so it's not hard to see how you might see us as being liberal from your vantage point out in space, but we are nothing if not conservative.

Actually, I've yet to see BJU exhibit love of any kind.

Most of my opinion of BJU (Boy, we Judge Unfairly?) comes from my family members who have attended the "school" and seeing first hand the almost cult like change in them.

Again, it's not slander if it's true.

You don't???

DHK, what ever else goes on this thread, that statement says more about you than anything else ever will.

Most civilized people have thought it through long ago and found it moronic.

No, thank you. You've just done that quite nicely.

In all fairness, I didn't hear it but in my wildest dreams, I can't imagine what could excuse it.

Yep, you got me. Anytime I see someone treated unfairly the way people are by thugs like BJU or Paisley or what has gone on in the North, I get a little testy. I do have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to people being treated the way Catholics have in the Northern Six.

And when I see people committing racism and brutality and violating the human and civil rights of others in the name of Christ, I get downright pissed off.

It has everything to do with his using a title conferred upon him by a school which had no legal right to do so. Therefore, he is a fraud.

Actually, according to his autobiography, "Just As I Am", Billy Graham was thrown out of BJU for butting heads with BJ, himself, and recieved his education from a Bible college in Florida, the name of which escapes me.

Look, DHK, you can earn a Ph.D from Wally's Filling Station, if you like but that still doesn't give you the right to call yourself doctor.

We have a family member who went to BJU to pursue a nursing education. Unfortunately, when it came time to continue her education at another school, she couldn't find one that would accept her credits from BJU because they weren't accredited so, evidently, it matters to somebody.

Who are you to judge them since your obviously biased in his favor?

The reason I'm biased against him is precisely because of the rotten fruit that he's produced.

Whether I'm biased or not though neither changes nor excuses his actions.

It's not enough to simply say the words, DHK, he needs to live them.

Joshua knows that I have some disagreements with him and some of the things he believes but one of the things that he and his people have hit the bullseye on that we have been shamefully lacking in is that they understand that in addition to merely preaching the Good News, there has got to be a measure of justice and compassion involved.

Otherwise, you're just spouting words.

So what? It's not up to them.

That's one of the big problems I have with you people: you feel that it's your job to decide who belongs to God and who doesn't.

If I did even a fraction of what he has done, I would deserve harsh judgement.

No offense, DHK, but knowing the rabid, blinding hatred you feel towards Catholics and the starry eyed crush you have on Paisley, I'd have to see that for myself. After all, you've lied about Catholics (among other things)several times in this thread so far, how do I know you're above lying about this?

[ July 27, 2002, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: Smoke_Eater ]

 

When someone claims to follow Christ and then acts so un-Christlike, I'd say that's a pretty big contradiction.

 

Don't know how I missed that. I'm now out of this discussion. I don't see anything to be gained by further participation. Smoke, I'm not trying to desert you, but at some point the gulf really is too deep to speak across.

(Oh, and as for me being from the "fringe," unlike Paisley I have an M.Div. from an ATS accredited seminary.)

Joshua

[ July 27, 2002, 05:19 PM: Message edited by: Rev. Joshua Villines ]

 

DHK, no offense but you have said nothing here.

You have claimed "misinformation" and "lies" but when pressed to support it you merely repeat the same.

What specifically is a lie?

What is your evidence that it is a lie?