Who is He? A Trinity? A Oneness?

I suppose it depends on who you think "he" is now doesn't it? Because note one of the names used: Father.

The facts have been more than well presented.

 

I don't think that 'Father' is a name. It is a title. Jesus is His name!

Just something to think about.

MEE

 

John 10:30 "The Father and I are one".

Seems pretty definitive to me!

 

From "Word Pictures in the Greek New Testament:"

 

As to the basic question, is He a Trinity, is He a Oneness? The answer is, yes, He is both at the same time.

The Son is God (Jn 1:1-3, 14, 18), the Father is God (John 5 and numerous other places), the Spirit is a person and He is God (Jn 14:16, 26, 15:26, Acts 5:3-5), yet there is only one God (Dt 6:4-6). There is no slight of hand here as Sabellius would have it; God is not changing masks to appear three when He is an absolute oneness. The Father, Son, and Spirit each manifest their Presence simultaneously at the Baptism of Jesus (Nat 3:16-17).

This does not and cannot add up in human understanding of human math or physics. We speak of the nature of God. To try to understand the Trinity will result in madness, to deny the Trinity will result in damnation. Jesus told the Pharisees (Jn 8:24), "if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins...". And John tells us that if we do not confess the doctrine concerning the Father and the Son, we are lost (1 Jn 2:18-23, 4:1-6, 2 Jn 7-11).

 

Some good Trinity verses

Trinity—Mat 28:18-20, Mat 3:16-17, 2 Cor 13;14, Is 48:16-17

Plurality-Gen 1:15, 11:6-8, Is 6:8
--Makers--Job 35:10, Ps 149:2, Is 54:5
--Creators-Ecc 12:1
--Elohim-Gen 1:1
--Faces-Gen 4:16, Lev 22:3, 1 Chron 16:33, Ps 51:11, Ps 139:7, Ex 33:14-15, Dt 4:37, Ps 27:8-9

Father—Mk 1:1, Gal 4:4, Jn 1:18, Jn 3:16, Jn 14:31, Mat 11:27, Jn 1:1-2, Jn 3:35, Jn 17:5.

The Son
Called God—Jn 1:1-14, Jn 20:28, Rom 9:5, 1 Jn 5:20, Is 9:6-7, Heb 1:4-14
Worshipped—Is 42:8, Ph 2:9-10, Acts 7:59-60, Rev 5:6-14

Honored—Jn 5:22-23

Works:

Creator—Jn 1:3, Heb 1:1-3, Preserver Col 1:17, Sends Spirit, Jn 16:7, Forgives Sins—Acts 5:30-31, Gives Eternal Life—Jn 17:2-3

Attributes:

Self Existence Jn 8:58, 5:26, Eternity, Jn 1:1-2, Omnipotence, Mt 28:18, 11:27, Omniscience, Jn 1:48, Omnipresence, Mt 18:20
Equal With Father: Jn 10:15, 30, Phil 2:6, Col 2:9-10, Jn 5:17-24

Jesus Is Jehovah:
Jn 12:39-41 cf Is 6:1-10

Rev 1:17 cf Is 44:6
Ex 3:14 cf Jn 8:58, 18:6
Tit 1:3-4 cf 2:11
Is 43:10-12 cf Lk 2:10-11
Is 45:21, 60:16, 48:16-17, Hos 13:4

Holy Spirit:

Personality-- Jn 14:16, 26, 27, Jn 15:26-27, 16:7-15, 1 Cor 12:11, Jn 3:5-8.

Deity, Acts 5:3-5, 1 Cor 12:12-13, 18, Job 33:4, Gen 1:2, Job 26:13

Sovereignty--Acts 20:28 Acts 13:2-4, Mat 4:1

Jehovah: Lk 1:68-70 --2 Pet 1:20-21
Is 63:14--Dt 32:9-12
Acts 28:35-37--Is 6:8-9

 

</font>[/QUOTE]Can a son of man be anything except man?
Can the Son of God be anything by God?
If you believe that the son of God can be nothing other than God, then you must agree that Jesus who is the Son of God is God.

 

</font>[/QUOTE]Can a son of man be anything except man?
Can the Son of God be anything by God?
If you believe that the son of God can be nothing other than God, then you must agree that Jesus who is the Son of God is God. </font>[/QUOTE]Maybe you misunderstood me. Jesus is God. Jesus is Man. Jesus is the God-Man, the Second Person of the Triune God, Father Son, and Holy Spirit.

 

My point is that in accordance with the way God created all life, that which is man can be nothing other than man. That which is monkey can be nothing other than monkey.

That which is God can be nothing other than God!

In Jesus, God took on the form of man in order to be the propitiation for the sins of all mankind. The one who Atones, the Sacrificial lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world.

He did that so that sin, which is a work, could not be counted against us, and so our salvation could NOT be the result of anything we do, but rather a purely gracious act in accordance with the faith that we have in God.

Faith is not accumulative, you either have it or you do not. If you have it you are saved by God's grace, if you do not you are cast into the lake of fire, in accordance with God's Justice.

He walked among us as one of us. He came to his own but his own received Him not. Now made himself available to all mankind through each individual's personal faith in Him. Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.... There is no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved.

 

Yelsew,

Please explain the faith is not accumulative statement above in relation to the following scriptures:

2 Corinthians 10:15

"Neither do we boast about things that cannot be measured in regard to the work done by others.] Our hope is that, as your faith continues to grow, our area of activity among you will greatly expand,"

and,

2 Thessalonians 1:3
"We ought always to thank God for you, brothers, and rightly so, because your faith is growing more and more, and the love every one of you has for each other is increasing."

Thanks, and God Bless
Stephen

 

Faith may grow, but you cannot stack faith upon faith and make it accumulate. Faith grows similarly to the growth of an embryo from conception of a male part and a female part into a living being. Once the conception takes place that which is conceived grows by division not by multiplication. Yes what started out as one firtile cell, becomes two, but by division of the one into two and not by multiplication.

Faith is like that, it grows from a seed, and by division it becomes a giant tree.

Yes one could call that accumulation, but accumulation in my world implies the gathering of many things thus accumulating. Where faith starts as a tiny seed and grows though nurturing, remaining faith all along, thus becoming greater in dimension, and effect. The same faith different magnitude and scope.

Therefore one who has faith has all the faith necessary for salvation. One who does not have faith cannot be saved.

 

Yelsew,

[/QUOTE] Where faith starts as a tiny seed and grows though nurturing, remaining faith all along, thus becoming greater in dimension, and effect. The same faith different magnitude and scope.

Very well said, I couldn't agree more. I won't get caught up in semantics, that is whether I would call that accumulating in faith or not.
However, If I may ask a follow-up question:

In regards to:

Is it necessary for faith to grow, if one has true faith, in regards to your correlation between faith and salvation?

Thanks,

 

In regard to salvation faith, Jesus said he who believeth in me, even on my name shall be saved. How much faith does it take to believe on the name of Jesus? Not much! So if faith the size of a mustard seed is sufficient to move mountains into the sea, How much faith is sufficient for God to know you have faith in even the name of his beloved Son? It is such faith that determines our eternal destiny! Those with such faith are NOT JUDGED, those without faith ARE JUDGED ALREADY by their lack of faith.

Regarding faith itself, the growth of faith is a natural occurance that happens as one studies God's word, and applies what is learned, in the way one behaves. One cannot NOT gain greater faith, if one is hearing the word, and not just hearing but doing the word. The Natural product of such activity is growth in one's faith.

I trust this answers your question.

 

Hi Kelly,

If only God is to be worshipped, if we worship Jesus, are we committing idolatry?

 

So the 7th day and the JWs are of the same mind.
GOD is a total of a sum for me. Jesus, is the
physical manifestation of GOD. Whenever and
wherever GOD revealed himself in a form, I believe
that the essence of that form was Christ.

The Father is the director and administrator.
The Father is incapable of physical form
(He is Spirit). Christ is the physical essence
of GOD. The Holy Spirit of GOD is that essence
that has the ability to indwell. He is the
possessive motivative essence of GOD.

If one could destroy any part of the WHOLE GOD
then GOD's power to communicate and interact
would be diminished if not destroyed.

The three essences are ONE GOD. These essences
have always existed together.

The closest example we hace is ourselves. We
have a body soul and spirit. The soul is
our life force. The spirit is what motivates
us to react. The body is what everyone can see.
Remove any part and we are incomplete and yet
we would continue to exist (death is a good example).

I will admit that my explanation is poor; however,
I am not GOD and GOD hasn't told me EVERYTHING
about EVERYTHING yet (nor am I capable of
understanding EVERYTHING. I must trust in how
GOD leads me.

 

Firstborn seems to indicate that Christ is
PARAMOUNT and the term has nothing to do with HIS
position of creation but in creating.