Alberto Gonzales is a member of La Raza

I'm all for an open border policy, maybe not annexing Mexico, but still.

And LadyEagle this really isn't funny:
"Well, I don't blame them either for wanting to come here. But you know, if the old US of A is so TERRIBLE, then why is everyone clawing their way to get here, risking life and limb?"

 

There's kind of natural selection in the process. The best and most energetic are the ones who are making the trip, and the weak among don't make it to the goal.

This is cruel to the people making the crossing as well as problem for the United States.

Something has to be done.

 

Things are mighty quiet from the great Republicrat party folks here on the board. I just really wonder why?
Thanks ------Bart

 

They don't want to risk disturbing their idol.

 

You don't think that it is hard to come across illegally? Let me tell you, it is. Do you know how many people die in the desert (or is it dessert?) trying to make it to this country. We praise our Armed Forces for being willing to die for our country, well these people are willing to die to get to our country, or to have their children born here.</font>[/QUOTE]

Yeah, well let me educate you on how dangerous it is to pull off an armed robbery of a convenience store. Lots of clerks have guns, and every week you read a story of a brave robber, who fired at the clerk and missed, only to be gunned down himself. These brave folks are willing to risk their lives to get a drawer full of cash.


I've stated before that, overall, I like Mexicans. But they should not break the law, and Congress and the administration should be doing their job to enforce it.

Years ago we had people like that to pick the cotton.

 

You don't think that it is hard to come across illegally? Let me tell you, it is. Do you know how many people die in the desert (or is it dessert?) trying to make it to this country. We praise our Armed Forces for being willing to die for our country, well these people are willing to die to get to our country, or to have their children born here.</font>[/QUOTE]

Yeah, well let me educate you on how dangerous it is to pull off an armed robbery of a convenience store. Lots of clerks have guns, and every week you read a story of a brave robber, who fired at the clerk and missed, only to be gunned down himself. These brave folks are willing to risk their lives to get a drawer full of cash.


I've stated before that, overall, I like Mexicans. But they should not break the law, and Congress and the administration should be doing their job to enforce it.

Years ago we had people like that to pick the cotton. </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks for the 'education', what does armed robbery have anything to do with this?!?! You could compare our troops to bank robbers too. (Not that I would, becuase I am so thankful that they would serve our country.)

Please explain what you meant about that slavery comment, would you? Thanks.

One more thing, this statement: "overall I like Mexicans," is a very racist remark.

 

Not really. Lulac and La Raza are a bit more mainline, though there is no doubt that their alignment and support is generally liberal. Aztlan, otoh, is hardly mainline (though they claim to be) and are taken abut as seriously as the Flat Earth Society. In all fairness, though, the number of conservative or moderate latino-oriented groups is few and far between. For example, my own stepdaughter (who is part hispanic), is getting a college scholarship via MALDEF with my blessing, even though MALDEF is rather liberal in their social stances.

I must agree with Galation on this one. Alberto Gonzales is as conservative as the Dalai Llama is a pentecostal.

 

That's true, except when it comes to entering our country legally. </font>[/QUOTE]That's quite a generalization. While most illegal aliens are hispanic, it's not remotely true that most hispanics are illegal aliens. In fact, most most hispanics who entered the country did so legally. While I sympathize with your frustration, we should refrain from blanket statements.

 

You pointed out that the illegals are being courageous by breaking our laws and entering our country illegally. My point is that there is no virtue in doing something illegal simply because it's dangerous. They are criminals. I don't dislike them, but they have broken the law and it should be dealt with as such.

You pointed out that the illegals work for substandard wages. My point was that bringing them in to take advantage of them isn't particularly nice. You could argue that many slaves had it better in the USA than in Africa...but that doesn't justify slavery.

No it isn't.

 

Okay, I think I got these quotes down, lets see.

I did not say that that they are courageous because they break laws. I said that they risk their lives to come and live in this great country with hopes of living the American dream and making a little money to send back to their families. I'd be willing to bet (if I did gamble ) that you have broken a law or two in your life time, so that makes you no better than them. Now let me ask you this, of all those laws that you have broken, what were your reasons? I'd also be willing to bet that they were more selfish than the reasons most Mexicans cross illegally.

I think you misunderstood my point. Without the Mexican immigrants (legal and illegal) the American economy would suffer greatly. However that was not my point. My point is that most people complian that illegals take American jobs away, this is not true. Maybe they get more fast food jobs, but most other jobs they most likely wouldn't be qualified for, or they couldn't because they don't have the right papers.

No it isn't. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Yes, it is and you know it.

 

Why is that racist? The topic is about Mexicans. I like the French Canadians. Is that a racist, too?

Haven't you ever heard a Mexican say, "I like the gringo?"

 

I am a 1st generation American of Mexican descent My mother came in the 1950s and my father came in 1961 on a work visa. My mother is now a U.S. citizen. Unfortunately, I do have several relatives that came here illegally in the late 1970s. One uncle brought his entire family.

 

I don't see how Jim's comment could be seen as racist.

I interpreted it to mean, "I like most of the Mexicans I know." (correct me if I'm wrong, Jim)

I don't see how that can be racist.

 

I like Mexican food, too.

But I'm not real crazy about Chinese food.

Is that racist?

Oh, and I do like soul food. Surely, that's racist.

 

I like MOST white people...but some on this board...lol I am just kidding of course but I hope you get my point. The whole purpose of that statement was to say that he was NOT racist!!
He likes most mexicans...it is the law breaking mexicans that he doesn't care for. I am sure he also likes most white americans but not serial killers!

Can't anyone say anything about anyone of a different color wihtout being labeled a racist???

 

At this point it doesn't really matter what affiliations he may have. According to Vice President Cheney, the Bush Administration has a "mandate," so there is absolutely NOTHING anyone can do to stop his confirmation as the next Attorney General.

 

So, a jaywalker is no better than a axe murderer? Do you propose the same civil penalty? (Yes, I know that all are sinners.) Uncontrolled, illegal immigration is dangerous to our society. And, it's illegal. Why do you defend lawlessness? Should we just have anarchy?

They are welcome to any job they can get, so long as they follow the law to get here. As I said, I have nothing against them.


As to your "racist" accusation...for years I've seen people try to score cheap shots by falsely accusing someone of racism. It doesn't hold water with me. You'll have to do far better than that to claim any moral high ground in my book. But don't try to impress me, my opinion and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee.

 

Thanks, Galatian. That's exactly what I mean. I've gotten to know a number of Mexicans, and have had second-hand contact with more. And as a group, I've found a larger number of them to be delightful people than I've found in other ethnic groups, including my own. It's just my experience.

I could be a hypocrite, and say "I've never noticed any difference whatsoever between all the nationalities and ethnic groups I've known". That would be stupid, and everyone knows it. If anyone wants to be a hypocrite and play that game, have at it. Leave me out, I'll love whoever I get opportunity to love.

BTW, notice that this started because I said that Mexicans are nice people.

 

Yes, absolutely. You should be referring to it as Cantonese-American food

Just pokin' fun. No, of course it's not racist to refer to simply refer to a specific race or culture. Looking back on the "Mexican" comment in question, I can see hwo someone might take it as possibly racist, but in the overall context of the post, it's not. We can be racially sensitive, but we need not be hypersensitive.