Truth.

The only true church is the Catholic Church. (Carson)

NO! the only true church is the church catholic, not the Catholic Church!
The difference: The Catholic (Title) Church is headquartered in Rome, the
church catholic (universal) is headquartered in Heaven! The Catholic Church
is a physical presence in this world alone, the church catholic is a spiritual
presence in this world and in Heaven.'' (Yelsew)


That's a classic, Yelsew. Thanks !
I'll pass that on down to my grandchildren to keep them from the evil one.

But don't you know that the finger along side of the nose was the forerunner
of the Kleenex......so now your finger is a Kleenex too according to Catholic
theory.

 

The Holy Spirit is not in the business of promoting Catholicism if that's what you're
proposing, C.C.. (Singer)

He is promoting, using mere men like me and Carson. Your problem is that
you have closed your ears and do not wish to even consider the truth.
(Catholic Convert)

Hey, what are all the warnings in the bible about anyhow....(concerning having
ears to hear)....? It's sure not suggesting that we're to become enlightened to
Catholicism.

The question is whether or not we have the Son. Not having the Son results in
condemnation. Not having my name in the membership of the Catholic Church
causes me no loss.

*** Men were saved by the thousands before Catholicism evolved.

 

I'd always heard it is the finger in the nose that is the forerunner of Kleenex, that's why I never bought stock in the Kleenex corp. and don't buy their products either.

 

Well then, to be consistent with the Baptistic/nondenomination history of hidden churches outside of the Catholic Church...

that would mean that you still have your finger in your nose.

 

Bob --

Rather than just make a statement claiming that the priesthood is abolished, would you be so kind as to point to the exact verse (s) which teach this so that we might discuss them?

Thanks.

(Maybe a separate thread called "The Priesthood Abolished" would be a good thing)

 

Oh.....I must have forgot.....once you are saved, it doesn't matter what you do....does it.

 

Congratulations !!

You Catholics on this board have done a tremendous job of driving nails into
the coffin of separation between Catholics and Other Christians.

This reminds me of the old story about "I'm My Own Grandpa" that evolved through
the marriage and intermarriages that resulted in actual proof that the man was
his own grandpa. It could be proven through history, written documents and much
verbal influence. Such is with the RCC's "proof" that they are the ''pillar and
truth'' and the final authority on earth, the Bride of Christ, the infallible Word etc.

With both examples, it only takes a mild dose of common sense to see that both
are wrong. The proof is only in the mind of the beholder.

I can just imagine God telling me some day; "Singer, you believed that Jesus rose
from the dead, you lived a classic christian life, gave to the needy and witnessed
for Me on earth, but.................but Singer, you belonged to the wrong assembly
and therefore will be cast into the lake of fire".

Sorry, but I maintain a higher respect for our Creator.

 

Ray said, If only baptism with water can save us, how did the thief on the Cross go to Heaven?

Ray-Since no Catholic spokesperson responded to the above question, apparently, to Catholics the thief never made it to paradise.

Ray is saying, nearly all Christians believe that the covenant of grace started on the Day of Pentecost, seventh Sunday after Easter. So on the fiftieth day after the resurrection the Lord God outpoured His Spirit on all believers in the Upper Room. The Day of Pentecost was the first day of the church as promised by our Lord in Matthew 16:18.

John the Baptist was the last of the O.T. prophets so the thief came to Christ under the former covenant.

The Day of Pentecost is recorded in Acts chapter two; so sometime in the future Luke is still proclaiming that salvation is by faith alone, plus nothing. Acts 16:31 God is inviting sinners to ' . . . believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, {in order to} . . . . be saved . . . ' Apparently, not only the keep of the prison was baptized but also the rest of his family. This alludes to the fact that the children received the seal of the covenant, which was Christian baptism. ' . . . he and all his house.'

Abraham's faith in the Lord is what saved his soul. In Genesis 14:22 we read, that Abram ' . . . lifted up his hand unto the Lord, the most high God, the Possessor of Heaven and earth.'

The people under the former covenant were to present their lamb or dove to the priest in the Temple, in obedience to the Lord's requirements. When they were obedient to Him, He then looked through the atonement of Jesus, yet to be, as an expiation for their sins.

We embellish our Christian faith, our trust in the Lord, by loving our neighbor as ourselves as delineated in I Corinthians chapter thirteen. One has to be careful, because even non-Christians can live socially acceptable and have love for their acquaintances.

Acts 16:31 is long after the Day of Pentecost and Luke invites adult, sinners to receive Christ as personal Savior. John the Apostle did not say 'For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth and is baptized shall not perish, but have everlasting life. The part about baptism is not found in the inspired and infallible Word of the living God.

Water baptism has nothing to do with getting to Heaven or being born of the Spirit. But, after a person comes into the faith of his or her own volition, he or she should follow the Lord's commands and teaching by being baptized in water. It is the outward sign of a covenant relationship to Christ. Water baptism is a sign of the covenant just as the marking of the flesh of the infant, was a sign that a person was included in the House of Israel. Under this covenant water baptism is a sign that we are of the household of Christ, and are the obedient members of the Christian church. [Hebrews 3:6a]

 

'Oh.....I must have forgot.....once you are saved, it doesn't matter what you do....does it.'

Ray is saying, 'You mean something like go to a father, image, type, called Father Right, and then in the words of the Italian, 'Forget about it.' I wonder how Father God feels being shut out of the conversation and confession?

 

Thanks for the post, Carson. As a recent convert (Bishop Gregory Aymond who you speak so highly of was present at my rite of Christian Initation in your former home town of College Station.)I decided to come back on the board and show my appreciation for your stand on what is the truth. I only post about every three months unless I get really excited or worked up. The truth is wonderful. I pray that these who doubt the awesome power of my Lord to still perform miracles as he did 2000 years ago, will see the wonder that is all around. Thanks again. You have inspired me.

Cameron

 

Cameron --

Are you saying that you were once on this board as a non Catholic and now you have found the Faith once delivered to the fathers?

Welcome home, brother.

Ray.....I answered the question. Didn't you read the post? Apparently not. Which makes sense, because it sometimes looks like you don't much read closely anything that we Catholics post.

 

I can just imagine God telling me some day; "Singer, you believed that Jesus rose
from the dead, you lived a classic christian life, gave to the needy and witnessed for Me on earth, but.................but Singer, you belonged to the wrong assembly and therefore will be cast into the lake of fire".

Singer....what is the difference then between you and a good Hindu? There are Hindus who are in every way as kind, merciful, and charitable as you profess to be. So what's the difference? If you refuse to join the Church and they refuse to join the Church, why shouldn't God let them in as well as you?

Or are there certain standards, like becoming part of the family through the prescribed covenantal initiation of baptism?

The problem is that you don't belong to any assembly if I remember your posts correctly. The Church of Singer Inc. is not the same as the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.

 

Singer....what is the difference then between you and a good Hindu? There
are Hindus who are in every way as kind, merciful, and charitable as you
profess to be. So what's the difference? If you refuse to join the Church
and they refuse to join the Church, why shouldn't God let them in as well
as you?

Or are there certain standards, like becoming part of the family through the prescribed covenantal initiation of baptism?

The problem is that you don't belong to any assembly if I
remember your posts correctly. The Church of Singer Inc. is not the same
as the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.

Catholic Convert:

There's a big difference, C.C.........33,500,000 differences as that is how
many gods the Hindu's have and I only have one; the Creator of Heaven and
Earth. Plus the BIG difference is that Jesus Christ gave me eternal life
when I accepted and believed in Him, confessed Him with my mouth and
believed in my heart that he rose from the dead. Name me a Hindu that fits that
description. Hindus remind me of those who are praying to every statue, idol
dead Saint, imaginary mother of God etc. etc. Sound familiar ?

I'm just as catholic as any other believer but I'm definitely not Catholic.
If there's a universal church of believers, I'm a member by my proclamation.
Noah wasn't a Catholic, nor any of the apostles. No reason for me to waste
my precious time counting beads and chanting when I could be witnessing.

Consider the same for yourself.

 

Singer,

How about cleaning up your act.

Have you noticed that Catholics never respond directly to John 3:16 or Acts 16:31 as being for real. The reason is if Catholicism goes back to the apostles then they have a problem. The dilemma is all of these baptized, Catholic babies according to their theory were saved while in the diapers. Now if they are saved through baptismal waters then why is the Lord speaking through John and Luke, that adult people must of their own volition, receive Christ. [John 1:12]

Any baby Catholic or Protestant who is baptized in water also needs to personally decide to follow and love Christ. In the case of Catholics one mortal sin insures you of a ticket to Hell. So what is the point of sprinkling an infant. It's not like they won't ever commit a serious sin after their alleged salvation by water as an infant. Protestant and Catholic people who have been baptized in water as infants, must affirm a faith in Jesus as to His atoning death or they will step past the gates of Hell into this eternal state of terror and anguish.

Singer, as long as you are 'born again' [John 3:3] as you well know, you are counted among the people of God. [John 1:12] It's a little below the belt to suggest that you are equal to a Hindu.

The Lord knows about the Catholic Church [Revelation 17:6] and He tells Christians to leave that church because it is contaminated and defiled with error, [Revelation 18:4] and only because they willfully accept the traditions of men [Colossians 2:8b] rather than only the Word of God, the Bible. [Revelation 22:18-19]

Are you not glad you are, 'On Christ the solid Rock I stand; All other ground is sinking sand . . . '

References: [Genesis 49:24 b,c,d; Isaiah 28:16; Psalm 118:20-23; Matthew 21:42-43; I Corinthians 3:11; Hebrews 13:20-21]

I am going to thank the Lord tonight in my prayers that someone is not saying to me, 'Welcome Home.'

 

Ouch! Stampeding herd of Loose Cannon mixed metaphors on the radar screen, Captain!

 

In the case of Catholics one mortal sin insures you of a ticket to Hell. So what is the point of sprinkling an infant. It's not like they won't ever commit a serious sin after their alleged salvation by water as an infant.[/QUOTE]

You forget to mention that Catholics continue to confess their sins and thereby repair the damage done to the relationship between our selves and God.

A OSAS belief however, allows the supposedly saved person to sin with disregard for the very relationship wich you say saved them.

Ironic ain't it?

 

You forget to mention that Catholics continue to confess their sins and
thereby repair the damage done to the relationship between our selves and God.
(trying2understand)

Well then there's no point in baptizing that infant in the first place is there?
If that infant needed baptized at Day 1 in his life and sinned on Day 2, did he
then confess his sins on that day or did he get baptized again or what ?

Protestant babies don't have the ability to understand confession at Day 2 as
far as I know. Have you Catholics bred a new superhuman race that is capable
of confession after understanding the word of God at age 2 days ?

 

Ray,

How about cleaning up your act.Singer, as long as you are 'born again' [John 3:3] as you
well know, you are counted among the people of God. [John 1:12] It's a little below the belt
to suggest that you are equal to a Hindu.

Ray, I think you meant to address your last post to Catholic Convert, for it was he
who suggested I am equal to a Hindu. (Just because I believe Jesus rose from the
grave).

 

Now you're just being silly.

Since a two day old baby is incapable of actual sin, there would be no need for confession.

Baptism restores our relationship with God that was damaged by the original sin of Adam and Eve.

It is the means by which we enter into God's Church and family.

Why would you want the little ones to remain spiritual orphans?

 

Since a two day old baby is incapable of actual sin, there would
be no need for confession.

Since that 2 day old baby is incapable of sin, baptism would do him no
good anyhow.

Baptism restores our relationship with God that was damaged
by the original sin of Adam and Eve.

If baptism does that to a baby with no ability to condition himself with
forethought of his desire to serve the Lord, confess and believe and such,
then it would do it to others who have given no forethought to God.

Therefore I say do a mandatory baptismal of all convicts in prisons, aerial
bomb all Hindu and Muslim nations with baptismal waters and force
the powers of God upon them too. That would also restore their relationship
with God whether they knew what was going on or not ......same as with
the baby. What would be the difference?

It is the means by which we enter into God's Church and family.

Why would you want the little ones to remain spiritual orphans?

There ya go....Force Baptism.
Why would you want to withhold the same forced baptism from the Muslims?