Do Christians become perfect with the Resurrection of the Dead?

You have a mind of your own. Use it. Don't try to lump everyone into the same boat. I find that quite degrading if not slanderous. There are hundreds of kinds of Baptists, some of whom I would never associate with.
BTW Do all Catholics believe in sacrificing chickens to Mary like the ones I saw?

Now speaking about minds, the mind (brain) is part of the body (that which will be redeemed). Will it be made perfect? Will it be made perfect like Christ is perfect? Will you know everything? Will you be omniscient? Yes or No?
If your answer is yes, you commit blasphemy.
If your answer is no, you admit you will not be perfect.
DHK

 

Hold on there, DHK. If ME2 was baptized by immersion and has membership in a baptist church, then she's a baptist.

 

Hold on there, DHK. If ME2 was baptized by immersion and has membership in a baptist church, then she's a baptist. </font>[/QUOTE]I have no idea if HE is actually a member, or is actually baptized, or simply one who attends. I do know this, that if Me2 ever tried to apply for membership at our churh he would be automatically refused on the basis of the beliefs that he holds. One must agree to our statement of faith: which includes in the afterlife, the damnation of the wicked (those that reject Christ) to an eternity in Hell, and everlasting life in Heaven to the saved.
DHK

 

Hi Trying2Understand,

Im Baptised..and I got a plaque to prove it.

I would have been baptised no matter what Church or denomination I was attending. I have been raised baptist from a child. It happened to be baptist when I chose to be baptised.

How can any baptist church prove any article of faith based on something that hasnt happened yet.

It truly saddens me when I discover any church that includes truths that must be followed that even God is not going to prove to be true in the believers life.

such as creeds that are related to the studies of eschatology and the afterlife..

unless its an independent church that states its own standards of truths. of which any church can.

as far as any church rejecting me..

If the Love of Christ is not there.
Why should I be.

Me2

 

So you simply claim that Jesus has a body, but deny that he has a brain??
We are talking of the resurrected body here.
DHK

 

The point is that there are many different kinds of Baptists, and I get tired of hearing the phrase, "Do Baptists believe..," when pointing to some outlandish doctrine or heresy.

The point is that there are different kind of Catholics. Not all of them believe or practice the same thing. Case in point. Do you sacrifice chickens to Mary? I can be as unreasonable as you can, when you pointing to heresies and implicating Baptists, by saying "Do (all) Baptists believe...
Do you get the point?

Your question has been answered in my above post. You can asnwer it. You either believe Christ is a brainless mindless zombie, or you believe that he has a brain that enables his body to function.
DHK

 

Have you never studied biology? The mind is part of the brain. We think with our minds (brains). You were the one that brought up the subject of the resurrected body trying to fit it into the context of 1Cor.13:8-13; Remember? Now, let's not get off into metaphysical tangents. Stick to the subject matter at hand--the resurrection of the body. The body has a brain which enables it to think, make decisions, to retain knowledge, to memorize, etc. The brain is like a computer. It is the brain that would be referred to as the mind if the Bible had that term to use.
The resurrection brings to life the body, and that includes the brain, which gives the body the power to think, such as it gave Einstein the power to think. Will your knowledge in Heaven be limited. You bet it will! Will Christ's be unlimited? Absolutely. He is God. He is infinite, omniscient. Even in heaaven we will still be learning, thus we will NOT be perfect.
DHK

 

God can do that which He pleases which is not contrary to His nature, neither His Word. Unless you are a Mormon or a follower Benny Hinn, God will not make you a perfect creature, and even if you are followers of the above God will still not make you perfect--they are only deceived into thinking that way, for they believe that they are or will become gods. In Heaven we will not be God, or even a god. God knows everything, is all powerful, is everywhere at all times. Since we will not have those attributes it is obvious that we will not be perfect. God is not going to reproduce an exact replica of Himself, whether in mind or in body. To think so is blasphemy.
DHK

 

Here is a sample of what you have been doing:

I don’t know. I am speaking for myself. You will have to ask them.

In general they do. Don’t paint us all with the same brush that one or two of us might paint ALL Catholics as believing that you should sacrifice chickens to Mary.

Baptists do believe in soul liberty; but not quite as diverse you inferred in that post. The individual that you quoted from dies not have “typical” Baptist beliefs.
DHK

 

I will repeat:
God can do what He pleases within the bounds of His nature and His Word. He will not make a perfect creature as He is perfect. To do so would be blasphemy. Let's keep the context within the bounds of the resurrection, which you brought up.
DHK

 

Jesus Christ became man. He died and rose again, and sits on the right hand of the throne of God. He still retains his "manhood." He is a man to this day. He alone is perfect man. No other man is and neither will ever be perfect man. To claim such is blasphemy, for he would be claiming the same status as Christ. You cannot elevate yourself to the same status as Christ. That is pure arrogance--not in body, in spirit, in soul, in mind, in strength, in the brain, in any way. In every way Christ will be greater than you--all the time throughout eternity. You will always be subservient to Him, not just in rank, but in power and in appearance. You will not be perfect as He is perfect.

But let's resume the real nature of this topic and why the confusion. The confusion results in your refusal to accept the Biblical definition of the word "perfect." In your mind you think that the word "Perfect" has never changed, that it means flawless, sinless, holy, etc. But that is not what the word meant 400 years ago when the KJV was translated. That is not what it means in the Greek. It means "complete," or "mature."
To speak of a perfect body in Heaven is correct, in that it will be complete. It won't be missing any parts. It will be glorified, transformed, redeemed, changed; it will be complete.

Now apply that to 1Cor.13:8-13.
"When that which is perfect (complete) is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. It cannot be speaking about the Resurrection body here. It doesn't make sense.
What does make sense is this:
When the completed Bible is come then that which is in part--the temporary gifts shall be done away.
DHK

 

We do not "become perfect when we die" and no text says that we do.

We receive heavenly, incorruptible, eternal bodies at the resurrection "the redemption of the body" Rom 8, 1 Cor 15, 2Cor 5.

However our character (minus the sinful nature of course) is exactly what it was in this life.

As 1Cor 6 points out - evil, sinful behaviors are those of the lost "Be not deceived" (1Cor 6) the text says - if we make it our practice - to participate in those things - we are not saved.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Kathryn,

Lord Jesus Christ is God, the Son. God is infinite.

and the spirit of Lord Jesus Christ is within you.

Me2

 

You say God will not make perfect creatures 'as He is perfect', for to do so would be blasphemy.

What do you do with this verse then?

1 John 3:1. Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

We will be LIKE Him.

AND:

1 Cor 15: 35. But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36. Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37. And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38. But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43. It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56. The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

That passage does NOT work with your theory.

On the contrary, your theory doesn't seem to work with ANY text!

Where are you getting the proof of this theory?

God Bless,
Kelly