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a question for mormons

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  1. lighthouse

    lighthouse New Member

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    The book of mormon, which is the "keystone" of mormon faith, states that the native americans, (Indians) are the descendants from ancient Israel. New anthropology DNA evidence, now absolutly confirms this to be false. Indians come from NE Asia, not Israel. This destroys the credibility of the book of mormon, and all it's stories because your whole religion is based on this. The truth is, there is not one linguistical, archeological, or historical fact to back up the claims of what the mormon church teaches. My question to you is, What are you going to do in light of this new evidence? For more info, you can see it at www.livinghopeministries.info.
     
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  2. Eladar

    Eladar New Member

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    Are Mormons even allowed membership at this site?

    Who would actually call a Mormon a Christian?
     
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  3. lighthouse

    lighthouse New Member

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    Tuor,

    You would be suprised at the number of people, even in christian circles who think that mormons are christians. We of course know that they teach a false gospel, another Jesus. I am new on this baptist board so I don't know if mormon's are allowed or not. Even so, There is very good information for you to witness to mormon's.
     
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  4. A_Christian

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    Actually, the Mormons have a philosophical
    connection to The Knights Templars, by way of
    certain rites they perform which are identical to
    Masonic rtuals.
     
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  6. Singer

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    My Mormonnborn son in law believes in Jesus (Son of God) who delivered
    believers from the curse of death through his sacrifice on the cross and he
    is teaching my grandchildren this same truth. They do not attend the Mormon
    church and he considers himself a Christian.
     
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  7. Eladar

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    He also believes people can become Gods of their own universes and that God was once a man.
     
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    Tuor,
    You seem knowledgible about the LDS.

    I have a question.

    Where do they say that their god came from if he was once a man?

    Who created HIM?

    God Bless,
    Kelly
     
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  9. Eladar

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    They believe that a different God of a different universe created our God. Our God lived such a good life that he was rewarded with Godhood.

    He was able to call his wife/wives from the grave so that he could have relations with them to give birth to soul children. This is how our souls came into being.

    The Mormon modo is: As man is, God was. As God is, man can be. (or something like that)
     
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  10. Frank

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    Kelly:
    I believe the answer to your question about the God of Mormonism is found it the following: " God himself was once as we are now and is an exalted man." Journal of Discourses Vol. 6, pg. 3, sermons by Joseph Smith.

    By the way, my Christian wife is an x- mormon. Her Dad is a Patriarch in the heirarchy of the L.D.S. Bible studies with him are most interesting. ;)
     
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  11. lighthouse

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    Singer,

    A warning to you. Do not let your son in law teach your children his doctrine. If he calls himself a mormon, he is not saved. He believes in a different Jesus(2Cor.11:3,4).
    Don't forget that the ministers of satan masquerade as the people of God(2Cor.11:13-15). They proclaim a different Gospel(Gal.1:6-9). Though the words may seem to be the same, there words have different meanings. This has nothing to do with the character or moarality of the person. Salvation has to do with believing in God's word. "He that believes on me"as the Scriptures said"Jn.7:37,38. Mormon doctrine is not the same as Bible doctrine. Jesus is God the Father in the flesh. He is the only God you will ever see. "No man can say that Jesus Christ is "The Lord" (not a lord) but by the Holy Spirit. "He that believeth not that "I am He", will die in their sins. Who is He? The Father of Course(Jn.8:24,27).
     
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  12. computerjunkie

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    I have seen many discussions with Mormons on other boards, and they are adamant about the fact they believe they are Christians. (They are not because, as stated previously, they do not believe in the same Jesus, although they will not admit it.)

    I work for my church and we recently received a video called "The Secret World of Mormonism". It is an evangelistic tool from NAMB. It begins by describing how Mormons claim to be Christian and shows some of their advertisements touting their "family values". The video goes on to explain the dark side of mormonism that they don't tell people up-front, how they are NOT Christians and why. It is scary.

    I have heard that Baptists are one of the largest group of converts to mormonism. (I don't have a source for that handy, but can find one if needed.) My question is this: What is it about their belief system that would make someone convert to mormonism...Baptist or otherwise?
     
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    You asked, "What is it about their belief system that would make someone convert to mormonism...Baptist or otherwise?"

    The LDS religion is appealing for many reasons, and here are three of them:

    (1) It is a source of immediate social consolation. LDS communities produce a warm community with great social benefits for joining up, the first of which is an immediate network of caring, loving friends.

    (2) LDS missionaries stress that you do not have to rely on some external source of power, but, rather, that you have the potentiality within you to become deified. This is an ego-booster that disregards the "need" for external sources of sanctification such as the sacraments.

    (3) Missionaries and LDS adherents rest their faith upon blind adherence to the spirit who reveals from within. This is attractive because potential converts desire this consolation, this internal, almost secret spiritual knowledge. This is the appeal of Gnosticism - secret knowledge held only by the elect.
     
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  14. Eladar

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    They also deal with the 'burning in the boosom'. It is a feeling of what is right. For those who trust their feelings, not the Bible, (which many Baptists do) Mormon teachings fit rather nicely.
     
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  15. computerjunkie

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    Thanks guys...a very "feel good" belief system based on the writings of a false prophet. For those not grounded in the truth of God's Word, I guess it's easy to see how they could be quickly misled. How tragic.

    The "burning in the bosom" comes from the insistance that you read the Book of Mormon and pray asking God to tell you if it is true...based on their mis-interpretation of James 1:5.

    I asked one of them once, "What if you read it and God tells you it ISN'T true?" Never got a straight answer to that question because they contend if you read it with a sincere desire to know it is true, and you pray for wisdom (James 1:5), you will just KNOW it's true.

    Singer, please do not be deceived about what your son-in-law may be teaching your grandchildren. They use all the "right words" to make it sound good, but it is a false gospel originating with a false prophet. The Bible is very clear on this. Re-read the post by lighthouse, and read the scriptures he referenced. And when you read them, keep in mind their "founder", Joseph Smith, claimed he was visited by an angel of light.
     
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  16. Haruo

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    Don't forget the Reorganized Mormons. Are they Christians? Do they believe in a hybrid Jesus (part true, part false)? I note that here in Seattle they are one of the denominations (along with ABCUSA) that cooperate in the MDiv program at Seattle University (a Jesuit school). FWIW.

    Haruo
     
    #16 Haruo, Aug 2, 2003
  17. Eladar

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    All it takes to be a 'Christian' is to claim to be one. There are many 'Christians' who are not children of God.

    To answer your question, if they follow the teachings of the false prophet Joseph Smith, then no, they are not children of God. If I understand the intent of question correctly, they are not Christians.
     
    #17 Eladar, Aug 2, 2003
  18. Yelsew

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    All it takes to be a 'Christian' is to claim to be one. There are many 'Christians' who are not children of God.

    To answer your question, if they follow the teachings of the false prophet Joseph Smith, then no, they are not children of God. If I understand the intent of question correctly, they are not Christians.     </font>[/QUOTE]The Teachings of Brigham Young are even more grave than those of Joe Smith!
     
    #18 Yelsew, Aug 2, 2003
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