Geographical Calvinism

In light of Calvinism's view of election and irresistable grace and their attempt to redefine "all", these are all questions a Calvinist must seek to answer and still does not answer the original thought: in light of God's obvious love for the world, why does God's election seem restricted to certain people groups? </font>[/QUOTE]It don't believe it is restricted, hence I reject your premise.

 

Do you mean like when God choose the Jews?...and that nation only?

Was this too..Geographical election?

Not any other nation around this very small nation did God choose. Not any other nation on EARTH did He choose. Was it wrong for God to only give this nation the Law? Was it wrong to have nearly all of the prophets come from this very small nation? Was it wrong to have Chrsit come from this one Geographical place and not another? If God had used the nation Gog, would they not have been blessed?


Was it worng of God to show no mercy on others?
For God to only work with them, when so many others were around and needed God just as much?

I think not

Why not choose one nation as His own. Why not..Pick another nation to give the law to. Choose a 3rd nation for the prophets. maybe Give West Virginia the line that Chrsit came from.

Why not spread it out a little??

Lets make it fair. Lets make God just.

PLEASE!!!!!!!!

STOP TRYING TO REMAKE GOD

 

Yes, but it will be proclaimed there, and some will be saved. And what about elect infant? Calvinists believe that "Elect Infants dying in infancy, are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit; who worketh when, and where, and how he pleaseth: so also are all other elect persons, who are uncapable of being outwardly called by the Ministry of the Word. " Who's to say God hasn't elected many infants in those people groups in which the gospel has yet to be proclaimed?

Your question/challenge makes no sense for a Calvinist. They believe that God, through election to salvation, keeps his promise to Abraham so that around the throne of grace there will truly be "persons from every tribe, language, people, and nation".

Calvinist also believe that the gospel will go out world-wide, and that tribes that haven't been reached yet with the gospel will be reached. God is fulfilling his plan to gather his elect from the four corners of the earth through those who do his work by proclaiming the gospel.

 

I'm saying...Why ask?

Who can know the mind of God?

None of us should be elected....but God does as He pleases

 

AAG, please give us your answer to your question - why are many Christians located in certain geographical locations and not in others? I'm sincerely intersted in your thoughts.

 

No, it shouldn't. Do you know of one calvinist who believes that there are elect infants who are not saved?

From what perspective? The perspective of 21st century North America? What about 2nd century? What about my Norwegian ancestors back then? Where will the greatest concentration of believers be in 100 years? How would you know if the deck is stacked or not?

It seems to me that the premise of your initial question to this thread is assuming things you can't possibly know. The question is nonsensical by it's flawed premise.

There will believers from every tribe around the throne because that conclusion in Revelations is not just God's prediction, but his plan that he's working in the world.

 

Don't you know I am the one who is supposed to be arrogant and condescending?

I always find it amusing when people who rely so heavily upon a human system to explain an eternal God's redemptive work accuse someone else of being "wise in their own eyes." </font>[/QUOTE]All About Grace...
That is the total extent of what you can expect with that character. Completely useless. Better to deal with those who challenge you with reason and scripture and ignore this guy.

 

Don't you know I am the one who is supposed to be arrogant and condescending?

I always find it amusing when people who rely so heavily upon a human system to explain an eternal God's redemptive work accuse someone else of being "wise in their own eyes." </font>[/QUOTE]All About Grace...
That is the total extent of what you can expect with that character. Completely useless. Better to deal with those who challenge you with reason and scripture and ignore this guy. </font>[/QUOTE]Tim - I mean it...there are some in here who start threads just to get a rise out of others. They are not interested in the truth. They just want to impress others based on the latest book they haven't even finished. I'm learning to just steer away from them altogether....Reformed and free-willers alike.

Of course...you're not one of them!

 

And that's what my reply was from the get-go: I don't know.

 

By the way, the Doctrines of Grace only speak to the "how" of salvation, not the "why". So your original question really doesn't deal with the 5-points anyways, which I tried to show early on that this is an issue for both C and A and everyone inbetween.

 

What you mean, I suppose, is that you know Calvinists who don't believe that any infants who die are elect. All Calvinists believe in elect infants, since all the elect are elect before the foundation of the world. A Calvinist who believes that absolutely no infants who die are elect is certainly not common. Perhaps you should find them and ask them your question, because for the majority of us who do believe that God can elect, regenerate, and save infants your question is nonsensical.

Nope. We're talking about God choosing individual people for salvation, and then ensuring that they hear the gospel so that they will believe. We're talking about God determining the times and places where individual people will live. We're talking about God fulfilling his plan to have individual people from every single people group around the throne of grace by electing individual people from every single people group, and ensuring that those individual elect people hear the gospel by sending preachers to them at the right time.

Now, you answer my question instead of sidestepping it:

How would you or I know if the deck is stacked against some people groups? How would you or I know if, in the end, there will be certain people groups overrepresented among those saved?