<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by trueliberty:
Well, Pastor Larry, Arminians believe man starts at the same place also---all have an opportunity and responsibility to accept the gospel of Christ. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And this is were they err. All do nto have the opportunity - as all men are spritually dead and unable to dscern anything spiritual, until they are regenerated (born again) - but all men are responsible to believe in Christ.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>You say foreknowledge is causative and always refers to a person. You also agreed to the Calvinist's premise of an Almighty God making a sovereign choice independent of the will of the believer.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Certianly God makes all choices independent of men. Thanks be to God He does! Can you imagine a world where God had to consult with fallen depraved men?? God is holy and righteous and glorious and perfect and every decision he makes - salvation and destruction - is holy and righteous and good. The problem with men is they want to impose their view of what is good and right upon God. God is the standard, not man. And although God chooses what he will apart from man's will, he does nto save man apart from his will. Man is made able to choose salvation.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I ask again, how does this not conflict with God's promise that he does not respect the person (Romans 2:11) Crossreference to Acts 10:34--he makes no difference with Jew or Gentile also with Ephesians 6:9--he makes no difference with bond or free. If my unsaved neighbor is not sovereignly chosen by God, doesn't that make a big difference with me and all the believers on this Board? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm not quite sure what you're asking here, but God has chosen to call to himself a people out fo every tribe and tongue and nation of the world for His greater glory. We as believers are commanded to participate in that mission.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>If forseen faith is not the object, then what do the words "according to foreknowledge" of 1 Peter 1:2 mean to you? Calvinists would render the phrase "elect according to the sovereign decree of God the Father". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As in Ephes. 1:3-9?
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, [4] even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
[5] he predestined us for adoption through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, [6] to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. [7] In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, [8] which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight
[9] making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ
Although foreknowledge contains the idea of omniscience, of God "knowing" what will occur, it is not limited to that nor is it the primary meaning. Foreknowedge means primarily to forelove intimately, those who are his chosen. God does not merely know what will occur but has ordained all things that will occur.
Isaiah 46:9-11 (ESV)
remember the former things of old;
for I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me,
[10] declaring the end from the beginning
and from ancient times things not yet done,
saying, 'My counsel shall stand,
and I will accomplish all my purpose,'
[11] calling a bird of prey from the east,
the man of my counsel from a far country.
I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass;
I have purposed, and I will do it.
Isaiah 45:5-9 (ESV)
I am the Lord, and there is no other,
besides me there is no God;
I equip you, though you do not know me,
[6] that people may know, from the rising of the sun
and from the west, that there is none besides me;
I am the Lord, and there is no other.
[7] I form light and create darkness,
I make well-being and create calamity,
I am the Lord, who does all these things.
[8] "Shower, O heavens, from above,
and let the clouds rain down righteousness;
let the earth open, that salvation and righteousness may bear fruit;
let the earth cause them both to sprout;
I the Lord have created it.
[9] "Woe to him who strives with him who formed him,
a pot among earthen pots!
Does the clay say to him who forms it, 'What are you making?'
or 'Your work has no handles'?