Why do the saints obey God's Commandments in Rev 12:17?

Christ died on the cross for me because I cant keep the commandnents. If I could I would be perfect and there would be no need of a Savior. That is not to say that we shouldnt try to live a holy life. But when we fail:

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: Ijohn 2:1

I believe that the Holy Spirit came and went on a believer in the Old testament as in the case of Saul. There is no fixed doctrine in the Old Testament on the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. He only remained in man as long as he obeyed the law. David realizes this when he prayed in Psalm 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. The Spirit of the Lord departed from Samsom but then returned. Not all of the Bible is doctrinally applicable to the way of salvation in this dispensation.
Those of us who are saved in this dispensation of Grace in the Church age are:
1. Spiritually circumcised (Col 2)
2. Born again (John 3)
3. Indwelt by the Holy Spirit (John 14)
4. Sealed by the Holy Spirit (Eph4)
5. Put into Jesus Christ (I Cor 12)
6. Baptized by the Holy Spirit (Eph 4)
7. Baptized into the Body of Christ by the Holy
Spirit. (I Cor 12)
You cant find these things mentioned, or said, in connection with anyone in the Old testament.

So the only explanation for the verse that you mentioned, which is a famous one used by SDAs and others who think that a Christian can lose his salvation, is we enter another dispensation where there is going to be an element of works connected to salvation in the tribulation period.
If a man in the tribulation does not "endure to the end" and have "faith plus works" he can lose his salvation because his salvation is not based on a permanent indwelling of Christ, but upon the continued act of his personal obedience to the commandnents of God.

 

Mark 12-29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

These are the commandments of Jesus, and if you follow them you will find yourself obeying all the 10 Commandments of the old Testament.

In the following scripture ,Paul tells us how we do that.

Romans 8-3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The Holy Ghost is the key to obeying anything!

Peace,

Tammy

 

OK, then, as Christians, when we mess up and make mistakes that cause us loss either personal or otherwise, we know that we can ask the Lord for forgivness for our misstep, but can we also ask Him to restore what was lost as a result of our actions or words when you are sure that only a decree or decision from Him would make the situation right again?

 

Ps104 gets an A- rating on this one. I've added in bold print.

 

Perhaps this is the commandment they are obeying in Rev. 12-17

Matthew-28-19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

"whatsoever I have commanded you "

Peace,

Tammy

 

Christians keep Gods commandments because we wish to, it is a natural reaction to Him comming into your life!

 

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If what you are asking is if Old testament believers were saved the same as those of us in the Church age, of coures not.

For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. (Heb 7:19)

Back under the law.

I'll just quote Matthew Henry here on Heb 4:1-2;

Here, I. The apostle declares that our privileges by Christ under the gospel are not only as great, but greater than those enjoyed under the Mosaic law. He specifies this, that we have a promise left us of entering into his rest; that is, of entering into a covenant-relation to Christ, and a state of communion with God through Christ, and of growing up therein, till we are made perfect in glory. We have discoveries of this rest, and proposals, and the best directions how we may attain unto it. This promise of spiritual rest is a promise left us by the Lord Jesus Christ in his last will and testament, as a precious legacy. Our business is to see to it that we be the legatees, that we lay our claim to that rest and freedom from the dominion of sin, Satan, and the flesh, by which the souls of men are kept in servitude and deprived of the true rest of the soul, and may be also set free from the yoke of the law and all the toilsome ceremonies and services of it, and may enjoy peace with God in his ordinances and providences, and in our own consciences, and so have the prospect and earnest of perfect and everlasting rest in heaven.
II. He demonstrates the truth of his assertion, that we have as great advantages as they. For says he (v. 2), To us was the gospel preached as well as unto them; the same gospel for substance was preached under both Testaments, though not so clearly; not in so comfortable a manner under the Old as under the New. The best privileges the ancient Jews had were their gospel privileges; the sacrifices and ceremonies of the Old Testament were the gospel of that dispensation; and, whatever was excellent in it, was the respect it had to Christ. Now, if this was their highest privilege, we are not inferior to them; for we have the gospel as well as they, and in greater purity and perspicuity than they had.

What do you mean "my Bible". I use the King James. Which one do you use? Also I had ham for dinner yesterday. Am I going to hell for that?

 

Are those the 10 commandments or "all of the Word of God" or 10 commandments plus the Levitical command about Loving your Neighbor (Lev 19:18) and the Law of Moses in Deut 6:5 about Loving God with all your heart?

IF that is the "natural" result of the "New Birth" then is that something for "all who are born again" and not simply an oddity about the saints in Rev 12?

In Christ,

Bob </font>[/QUOTE]Absolutley Bob, obeying God Commandments are for all who are born again. We the Christians of today are the Saints and we do keep faith in Jesus and keep the Commandments of God.

God Commands it, that is enough reason to do it.

 

As we say in Australia - No worries mate

 

Ok Bob. You win the arguement. I concede that you must keep the 10 commandments in order to get to heaven. Good luck. You are a much better Christian than I am.

 

For me I let my employer know that I would not be available to work on that day and they were fine with that. I would hope that we all do things like Bible Reading and spending time with God in prayer 24/7 and that the Sabbath is not some type of special time for those things.

As I see it, in Creation God rested. So we ought to do our best to rest in the best way possible.